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Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST

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Re: Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST 

Post#121 » by bstein14 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:26 pm

Ivey has ELITE speed, quickness, and athleticism.... His skillset needs work still for sure... but I think in 3-4 years Ivey is going to be a really good starting guard. Sure right now he's probably a bottom 5 starting SG in the league I won't argue with that but we've all seen flashes of greatness from him as well being able to do things most NBA players can't in the way he can get up and down the floor with the basketball and the way he can get to the rim with ease with that blow by quickness.
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Re: Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST 

Post#122 » by reanimator » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:43 pm

bstein14 wrote:Ivey has ELITE speed, quickness, and athleticism.... His skillset needs work still for sure... but I think in 3-4 years Ivey is going to be a really good starting guard. Sure right now he's probably a bottom 5 starting SG in the league I won't argue with that but we've all seen flashes of greatness from him as well being able to do things most NBA players can't in the way he can get up and down the floor with the basketball and the way he can get to the rim with ease with that blow by quickness.


Exactly. I'm not sure how anyone couldn't be excited about the flashes we've seen on offense even with the warts we have to endure.

That said, 1 or both of Cade/Ivey have a long ways to go as offball shooters to make this work ultimately, but that is the only potential point of failure I see if both fulfill their potential. We will need a better coach to develop/promote this. Ivey's burst and Cade's methodical half court probing is like salt and pepper.
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Re: Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST 

Post#123 » by zeebneeb » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:45 pm

I'm on record loving Mathurin, as his size, and just pure scoring ability seemed like a perfect fit next to Cade.

I'm not gonna jump the gun in Ivey yet, as he has displayed next level speed, and might be the fastest player end to end in the league. He needs to learn not only how to finish at the rim, but execute the pass at the rim as well at a much higher level.

When he does get it right though, you can see how devastating he could become.
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Re: Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST 

Post#124 » by Drwho17 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:55 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:I’m jumping off the Killian train. Seems like I was the last one on so I’ll turn off the lights and lock up. His confidence is just not there. The dude can play basketball, but he can’t play NBA basketball.

He reminded me of what I look like when I step up to college level players, overwhelmed and throwing up shots off the bottom of the backboard. I'm ready to give up on him too, I'm not sure he's going to get much better at this point, maybe go overseas and come back in a few years?
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Re: Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST 

Post#125 » by Drwho17 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 5:01 pm

vic wrote:this might be emotion talking but at this point I think we give up on Killian and Ivey is the 6th man of the future.

I really liked Mathurin he's obviously the guy we should have gotten if not Shaedon. Not hating on Ivey, he's going to be okay eventually... but it just is what it is.

At this point I'd be okay with drafting Dariq Whitehead as the starting SG. I'm no longer looking ONLY for a Forward in 2023. Best Wing Available.

At times I'm thinking Ivey might end up being better than Cade Cunningham, last game for him was bad, but previous game he was good. I think he's a better playmaker/finisher and shooter than I expected, his defense is bad, but otherwise he's been better than I expected.
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Post#126 » by whitehops » Thu Nov 3, 2022 5:56 pm

bstein14 wrote:Ivey has ELITE speed, quickness, and athleticism.... His skillset needs work still for sure... but I think in 3-4 years Ivey is going to be a really good starting guard. Sure right now he's probably a bottom 5 starting SG in the league I won't argue with that but we've all seen flashes of greatness from him as well being able to do things most NBA players can't in the way he can get up and down the floor with the basketball and the way he can get to the rim with ease with that blow by quickness.

in the first few games i was thinking it was going to be a long, painful process watching him develop but i love how we've used him since. in the first few games it was like he was encouraged to push the pace as much as possible so half of our possessions were like forced transition and it's just hard to run a consistent offense like that.

since then having cade initiate almost everything and have ivey cut off ball, take advantage of straight-line drives and run the odd pick and roll seems to be a nice balance to get his feet wet while still having an organized offense. ivey's been pretty much what i expected him to be so far.
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Post#127 » by FloridaMan78 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 6:10 pm

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bstein14 wrote:Ivey has ELITE speed, quickness, and athleticism.... His skillset needs work still for sure... but I think in 3-4 years Ivey is going to be a really good starting guard. Sure right now he's probably a bottom 5 starting SG in the league I won't argue with that but we've all seen flashes of greatness from him as well being able to do things most NBA players can't in the way he can get up and down the floor with the basketball and the way he can get to the rim with ease with that blow by quickness.

in the first few games i was thinking it was going to be a long, painful process watching him develop but i love how we've used him since. in the first few games it was like he was encouraged to push the pace as much as possible so half of our possessions were like forced transition and it's just hard to run a consistent offense like that.

since then having cade initiate almost everything and have ivey cut off ball, take advantage of straight-line drives and run the odd pick and roll seems to be a nice balance to get his feet wet while still having an organized offense. ivey's been pretty much what i expected him to be so far.


Ivey had a bad game, but I like what I’ve seen.

I do want him to be more assertive when Cade is off the floor. I’d also like to see more plays run for him coming off screens like Rip used to, constantly running all over the court wearing out the opposing team.
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Post#128 » by breezypeezy » Thu Nov 3, 2022 6:22 pm

Yep we used to be wonderous at Hamiltons off the ball cutting. Ivey has that potential as well as an Iverson-ish first step to blow past 99% of the league eventually. The toolkit is there and in time he should craft some killer abilities. Elite speed is a gift you cannot just pick up over a off season.

Love Ivey and what he can become, but Cade is still the architect imo. I wouldnt trade this backcourt for any in the league, they are gonna become better and better.
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Post#129 » by Sort » Thu Nov 3, 2022 7:16 pm

zeebneeb wrote:I'm on record loving Mathurin, as his size, and just pure scoring ability seemed like a perfect fit next to Cade.

I'm not gonna jump the gun in Ivey yet, as he has displayed next level speed, and might be the fastest player end to end in the league. He needs to learn not only how to finish at the rim, but execute the pass at the rim as well at a much higher level.

When he does get it right though, you can see how devastating he could become.


Mathurin clearly can hit some buckets.Amazing he is already averaging twenty a game on 27 minutes. His fit next to Cade would have been outstanding, though it's hard to argue against Ivey longterm. Cade needs another finisher/creator next to him that can operate at an elite level.

For all the points Mathurin has scored, it's not actually affecting the game much, as NBA noted he has the worse plus/minus of any rookie. But I can't say I've been queueing up Pacers games much. He is playing off the bench on one of the worst teams in the league...
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Post#130 » by NYPiston » Thu Nov 3, 2022 7:21 pm

I said this at the draft and think the same now. Mathurin and Sharpe for that matter were probably better fits, Math in particular, but Ivey was BPA.
In fact, Ivey might have the most upside in the draft if he maxes out his potential. When you're a team like the Pistons that is still in the talent upgrade stage, you take the best talent available regardless of fit which was Ivey IMO so it was the right pick. Not to mention that Ivey REALLY wanted to be a Piston, can't say that for a lot of players.
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Post#131 » by vege » Thu Nov 3, 2022 9:12 pm

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zeebneeb wrote:I'm on record loving Mathurin, as his size, and just pure scoring ability seemed like a perfect fit next to Cade.

I'm not gonna jump the gun in Ivey yet, as he has displayed next level speed, and might be the fastest player end to end in the league. He needs to learn not only how to finish at the rim, but execute the pass at the rim as well at a much higher level.

When he does get it right though, you can see how devastating he could become.


Mathurin clearly can hit some buckets.Amazing he is already averaging twenty a game on 27 minutes. His fit next to Cade would have been outstanding, though it's hard to argue against Ivey longterm. Cade needs another finisher/creator next to him that can operate at an elite level.

For all the points Mathurin has scored, it's not actually affecting the game much, as NBA noted he has the worse plus/minus of any rookie. But I can't say I've been queueing up Pacers games much. He is playing off the bench on one of the worst teams in the league...


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Banchero +17.3
Jabari -14.8
Murray +14.7
Ivey +2.5
Mathurin -1.7
Tari Eason +7.7

FWIW
Cade is +12.6
Jalen Green is -18.4
Mobley is -14.2
Barnes is +12.0
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Re: Game 9: Pistons (2-6) @ Bucks (6-0) Nov. 2 8:00 PM EST 

Post#132 » by grpistons » Fri Nov 4, 2022 11:40 pm

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Cowology wrote:Stewart is giving you 16 & 10 on 6-9 shooting (2 outa 3 from deep) and some of yall really think he shouldn't be starting??

Ima keep saying it; dude is going to break out this year. He still hasn't really shot the 3 as well as he's capable of. I expect his scoring to go up along with his attempts as the season progresses. Dude is a beast.

If Beef Stew is your starting center, you're in trouble.
What does that have to do with anything I said?

I just don't think he's a starting caliber player despite that stretch. That's all.

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