Pistons excercise options on Bey, Stewart, Hayes and Cunningham

[ElectricMayhem]

I have no problem extending the Killian Hayes that was playing at the end of last season. He was an NBA-level rotation player. I thought he could step up his game this year and turn into a SOLID NBA-level rotation player. I have no idea what's going on with him, though. He's made more mental mistakes even in his strong areas this year (defense/passing).

I still think he could get to where he needs to be to be a productive player, and I don't mind that we took a flyer on him for the extra season. I am, however, more willing to concede that the odds are now against him hanging on after that.

[FloridaMan78]

I have no problem extending the Killian Hayes that was playing at the end of last season. He was an NBA-level rotation player. I thought he could step up his game this year and turn into a SOLID NBA-level rotation player. I have no idea what's going on with him, though. He's made more mental mistakes even in his strong areas this year (defense/passing).

I still think he could get to where he needs to be to be a productive player, and I don't mind that we took a flyer on him for the extra season. I am, however, more willing to concede that the odds are now against him hanging on after that.

I thought the same. I thought he could at least be passable NBA back up point guard.

[bstein14]

I would disagree about him being a NBA level player last year... even the 2nd half of the season he was for sure a bottom 5 player in the entire league when you look at players playing 20+ MPG. Most players as bad as him don't get that much playing time unless you're a rookie, or unless you're on a tanking team.

[bstein14]

Here’s the thread when Hayes option was picked up, and conveniently Mancod didn’t comment.

No one was laughing at Weaver for doing it. That’s why I commented on it in the other thread. Everyone was pretty much accepting of it.

My point is. We were obviously wrong.

I thought it was a mistake to pick up his 4th year option, because he would have had to of taken a big step forward this year for us to risk losing him. For me there was more value in not picking it up, and then even if Weaver wanted to keep him we could have easily resigned him to a deal near the league minimum.

That said, once we didn't play Hayes in summer league I pretty much knew we'd be picking up his option because we didn't seem to care to evaluate him further.

[Kalamazoo317]

Dude needs a sports psychologist. He looks scared out there.

[Manocad]

Here’s the thread when Hayes option was picked up, and conveniently Mancod didn’t comment.

No one was laughing at Weaver for doing it. That’s why I commented on it in the other thread. Everyone was pretty much accepting of it.

My point is. We were obviously wrong.

I had already posted in the Summer League thread that I expected the team would pick up Hayes’ option. What was I supposed to post here? “I told you so”?

[FloridaMan78]

Here’s the thread when Hayes option was picked up, and conveniently Mancod didn’t comment.

No one was laughing at Weaver for doing it. That’s why I commented on it in the other thread. Everyone was pretty much accepting of it.

My point is. We were obviously wrong.

I had already posted in the Summer League thread that I expected the team would pick up Hayes’ option. What was I supposed to post here? “I told you so”?

Saying you expected them to pick up an option isn’t saying whether you think they should have. So at the time did you think they should have?

[Manocad]

Here’s the thread when Hayes option was picked up, and conveniently Mancod didn’t comment.

No one was laughing at Weaver for doing it. That’s why I commented on it in the other thread. Everyone was pretty much accepting of it.

My point is. We were obviously wrong.

I had already posted in the Summer League thread that I expected the team would pick up Hayes’ option. What was I supposed to post here? “I told you so”?

Saying you expected them to pick up an option isn’t saying whether you think they should have. So at the time did you think they should have?

Of course it isn’t. I made that exact point myself. You claimed that I, along with literally every person here except for bstein, said the team should pick up Hayes’ option and I responded immediately that I never said that. I’ve also said repeatedly that I have no affinity for Killian whatsoever and didn’t even know who he was when he was drafted. I’ve also posted that he should be instructed not to shoot. I’ve also posted that I’d support him getting sent to the G-league. I’ve also posted that the team picking up his option may have been Weaver’s attempt to not disenfranchise Killian while at the same time not admitting his mistake (key word there—“mistake”).

The only thing I’ve ever posted that could be remotely construed as liking/supporting/whatever relative to Killian was that giving up on him after 92 games played was premature (similar to what I’ve said about Bagley since he’s only played 18 games with this team).

That all being said, what in the bloody freaking hell do you think the answer to your question is?

[FloridaMan78]

I had already posted in the Summer League thread that I expected the team would pick up Hayes’ option. What was I supposed to post here? “I told you so”?

Saying you expected them to pick up an option isn’t saying whether you think they should have. So at the time did you think they should have?

Of course it isn’t. I made that exact point myself. You claimed that I, along with literally every person here except for bstein, said the team should pick up Hayes’ option and I responded immediately that I never said that. I’ve also said repeatedly that I have no affinity for Killian whatsoever and didn’t even know who he was when he was drafted. I’ve also posted that he should be instructed not to shoot. I’ve also posted that I’d support him getting sent to the G-league. I’ve also posted that the team picking up his option may have been Weaver’s attempt to not disenfranchise Killian while at the same time not admitting his mistake (key word there—“mistake”).

The only thing I’ve ever posted that could be remotely construed as liking/supporting/whatever relative to Killian was that giving up on him after 92 games played was premature (similar to what I’ve said about Bagley since he’s only played 18 games with this team).

That all being said, what in the bloody freaking hell do you think the answer to your question is?

So 92 games was all the evaluation time you had before you had to make the decision to extend him or not.

So by what you just said was that you agreed with the extension as it was too early to give up on him.

[Manocad]

Saying you expected them to pick up an option isn’t saying whether you think they should have. So at the time did you think they should have?

Of course it isn’t. I made that exact point myself. You claimed that I, along with literally every person here except for bstein, said the team should pick up Hayes’ option and I responded immediately that I never said that. I’ve also said repeatedly that I have no affinity for Killian whatsoever and didn’t even know who he was when he was drafted. I’ve also posted that he should be instructed not to shoot. I’ve also posted that I’d support him getting sent to the G-league. I’ve also posted that the team picking up his option may have been Weaver’s attempt to not disenfranchise Killian while at the same time not admitting his mistake (key word there—“mistake”).

The only thing I’ve ever posted that could be remotely construed as liking/supporting/whatever relative to Killian was that giving up on him after 92 games played was premature (similar to what I’ve said about Bagley since he’s only played 18 games with this team).

That all being said, what in the bloody freaking hell do you think the answer to your question is?

So 92 games was all the evaluation time you had before you had to make the decision to extend him or not.

So by what you just said was that you agreed with the extension as it was too early to give up on him.

Are you daft? The option the team picked up is for NEXT YEAR. He was already under contract for THIS YEAR, his third year, the year I said he should be given in order to have proper time to develop (or not) since he had only played 92 games. THEY DIDN’T HAVE TO PICK UP HIS OPTION IN ORDER FOR HIM TO STILL PLAY THIS YEAR. As I CLEARLY STATED, perhaps Weaver picked up his option to not only avoid disenfranchising Killian, I.e. demonstrating no belief he’ll develop if they don’t pick up his option, but to also avoid admitting he MADE A MISTAKE. If they hadn’t picked up his option and Killian made a full turnaround, the team could still sign him as a free agent after this season. Or maybe that would have pissed Killian off and he would sign somewhere else. Either way, nothing Killian had done previously indicated he was going to make a complete 180 and turn into a starting-level player, so losing an improved but pissed off Killian wouldn’t really be a big deal.

So let me write this in big, fat crayon letters since you either lack the intuitive ability to put two and two together or you just desperately want to believe I wanted the team to pick up his option so you could rub it in my face:

If it were me, NO, I WOULDN’T HAVE PICKED UP HIS OPTION. Saying I expected the team would—with reasons provided—and not explicitly whining about it like some of you guys when they did—because it doesn’t change anything—DOES NOT EQUATE TO WANTING THE TEAM TO PICK UP HIS OPTION.

Hopefully that clears this up for you and you can move on to some other obsession.

[DetroitSho]

Well this thread just picked up a bit.

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[Manocad]

Well this thread just picked up a bit.

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Sometimes you just gotta bring the backhand down.

[FloridaMan78]

Of course it isn’t. I made that exact point myself. You claimed that I, along with literally every person here except for bstein, said the team should pick up Hayes’ option and I responded immediately that I never said that. I’ve also said repeatedly that I have no affinity for Killian whatsoever and didn’t even know who he was when he was drafted. I’ve also posted that he should be instructed not to shoot. I’ve also posted that I’d support him getting sent to the G-league. I’ve also posted that the team picking up his option may have been Weaver’s attempt to not disenfranchise Killian while at the same time not admitting his mistake (key word there—“mistake”).

The only thing I’ve ever posted that could be remotely construed as liking/supporting/whatever relative to Killian was that giving up on him after 92 games played was premature (similar to what I’ve said about Bagley since he’s only played 18 games with this team).

That all being said, what in the bloody freaking hell do you think the answer to your question is?

So 92 games was all the evaluation time you had before you had to make the decision to extend him or not.

So by what you just said was that you agreed with the extension as it was too early to give up on him.

Are you daft? The option the team picked up is for NEXT YEAR. He was already under contract for THIS YEAR, his third year, the year I said he should be given in order to have proper time to develop (or not) since he had only played 92 games. THEY DIDN’T HAVE TO PICK UP HIS OPTION IN ORDER FOR HIM TO STILL PLAY THIS YEAR. As I CLEARLY STATED, perhaps Weaver picked up his option to not only avoid disenfranchising Killian, I.e. demonstrating no belief he’ll develop if they don’t pick up his option, but to also avoid admitting he MADE A MISTAKE. If they hadn’t picked up his option and Killian made a full turnaround, the team could still sign him as a free agent after this season. Or maybe that would have pissed Killian off and he would sign somewhere else. Either way, nothing Killian had done previously indicated he was going to make a complete 180 and turn into a starting-level player, so losing an improved but pissed off Killian wouldn’t really be a big deal.

So let me write this in big, fat crayon letters since you either lack the intuitive ability to put two and two together or you just desperately want to believe I wanted the team to pick up his option so you could rub it in my face:

If it were me, NO, I WOULDN’T HAVE PICKED UP HIS OPTION. Saying I expected the team would—with reasons provided—and not explicitly whining about it like some of you guys when they did—because it doesn’t change anything—DOES NOT EQUATE TO WANTING THE TEAM TO PICK UP HIS OPTION.

Hopefully that clears this up for you and you can move on to some other obsession.

The great Mancod. Never wrong always right.

The great non whiner of the board. We all bow down to your greatness.

You knew better even then the great Troy Weaver.

[Manocad]

So 92 games was all the evaluation time you had before you had to make the decision to extend him or not.

So by what you just said was that you agreed with the extension as it was too early to give up on him.

Are you daft? The option the team picked up is for NEXT YEAR. He was already under contract for THIS YEAR, his third year, the year I said he should be given in order to have proper time to develop (or not) since he had only played 92 games. THEY DIDN’T HAVE TO PICK UP HIS OPTION IN ORDER FOR HIM TO STILL PLAY THIS YEAR. As I CLEARLY STATED, perhaps Weaver picked up his option to not only avoid disenfranchising Killian, I.e. demonstrating no belief he’ll develop if they don’t pick up his option, but to also avoid admitting he MADE A MISTAKE. If they hadn’t picked up his option and Killian made a full turnaround, the team could still sign him as a free agent after this season. Or maybe that would have pissed Killian off and he would sign somewhere else. Either way, nothing Killian had done previously indicated he was going to make a complete 180 and turn into a starting-level player, so losing an improved but pissed off Killian wouldn’t really be a big deal.

So let me write this in big, fat crayon letters since you either lack the intuitive ability to put two and two together or you just desperately want to believe I wanted the team to pick up his option so you could rub it in my face:

If it were me, NO, I WOULDN’T HAVE PICKED UP HIS OPTION. Saying I expected the team would—with reasons provided—and not explicitly whining about it like some of you guys when they did—because it doesn’t change anything—DOES NOT EQUATE TO WANTING THE TEAM TO PICK UP HIS OPTION.

Hopefully that clears this up for you and you can move on to some other obsession.

The great Mancod. Never wrong always right.

The great non whiner of the board. We all bow down to your greatness.

You knew better even then the great Troy Weaver.

Need a Band-Aid for your boo-boo, pumpkin?

[Snakebites]

I think this one’s finished.