Game 16: Pistons (3-12) @ Clippers (8-7) Nov. 17 10:30 PM EST

[bstein14]

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[NYPiston]

We've seen a lot of this with the Pistons this season especially as of late. Pretty competitive but just don't have enough steam to finish games, not enough bodies.

I'd like to see what this team can do when healthy. They can just never seem to get healthy. Bench is injured most of the season then when bench guys return, Cade and Stewart are out. Hard to gain traction this way. Good for the tank tho

[MotownMadness]

Watching the replay now and it's still just in the 1st but Duren is a man child

[ducler]

Watching the replay now and it's still just in the 1st but Duren is a man child

He's already what we all wanted Drummond to become

[MotownMadness]

Ivey is nasty driving to the rim, just watched him try to take Zubac's soul with a poster attempt

[MotownMadness]

Watching the replay now and it's still just in the 1st but Duren is a man child

He's already what we all wanted Drummond to become

Work on those FTs and his potential is real nice. He looks better than a guy like Drummond at this age, just needs to add a bit more softness to them.

[NYPiston]

Work on those FTs and his potential is real nice. He looks better than a guy like Drummond at this age, just needs to add a bit more softness to them.

His basketball IQ is light years higher than Drummond's, not to mention the relentless motor that Drummond didn't have.
Usually you see guys like this with freak athleticism but they're missing something upstairs. Duren has that rare combination of both, it's going to be fun to see this potential unlocked over the next 5+ years.

[MotownMadness]

Work on those FTs and his potential is real nice. He looks better than a guy like Drummond at this age, just needs to add a bit more softness to them.

His basketball IQ is light years higher than Drummond's, not to mention the relentless motor that Drummond didn't have.
Usually you see guys like this with freak athleticism but they're missing something upstairs. Duren has that rare combination of both, it's going to be fun to see this potential unlocked over the next 5+ years.

For sure, Drummond's motor was a mess but that was part of the scouting report when we drafted him.

[MortSahlfan]

The problem started after Drummond's sophmore season. He averaged 13/13 on 62%. He was scoring off missed shots, like Duren is now. But then when he wanted the ball as some post-presence, it took away Drummond! He would dribble more, too, and with him in the post, it stagnated our offense, and he wasn't able to rebound, and his % went down immediately from 62% to 51% and never went higher than 53% during his long tenure here.

Duren's giving us points we wouldn't have had. And those hard slams gotta pump up the players and our crowd and quiet theirs. I hope "Let's have him shoot 3's" bull isn't in the cards. I don't know who's idea it was to "expand" Drummond's game, but I understand both schools of thought, but I guess I think with the players we have, we need motion, and to attack the basket like we did in the 1st half. 0-10 from 3? A mid-range shot won't kill you. Even when Rip was off (which was rare), he tired the hell out of the defenses. Too much standing around offense this year.

Back to Duren, I would concentrate on improving the things he's good at, instead of developing a post game. I'd rather him learn how to use the glass, like Stew, who can score inside, but now we have him standing out at the 3-pt line, where he's not boxing out 3 opposing players to allow someone else on our team get the rebound. Teach Duren how to rebound even better, anticipation (bring Big Ben and Rodman in a day, lol) but most importantly, positioning on defense. Let him be a Shaq-like player who plays better defense than Shaq (not a great defender by his own words).

This was a winnable game, which is why it pissed me off, because we were in it all the way, but felt we didn't take advantage in the 1st half. Rather than going 0-10, we could have drew fouls, anything else.

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[Uncle Mxy]

The problem started after Drummond's sophmore season. He averaged 13/13 on 62%. He was scoring off missed shots, like Duren is now. But then when he wanted the ball as some post-presence, it took away Drummond!

This was when SVG wanted to give Drummond a pet offensive move rather than focus on defense and free throws.

[DBC10]

Work on those FTs and his potential is real nice. He looks better than a guy like Drummond at this age, just needs to add a bit more softness to them.

His basketball IQ is light years higher than Drummond's, not to mention the relentless motor that Drummond didn't have.
Usually you see guys like this with freak athleticism but they're missing something upstairs. Duren has that rare combination of both, it's going to be fun to see this potential unlocked over the next 5+ years.

For sure, Drummond's motor was a mess but that was part of the scouting report when we drafted him.

Yep, I remember reading those scouting reports and brushing it off at the time too since he dropped to us. Sad to say those scouts were exactly right, it was his motor and lack of IQ/awareness that severely held him back from stardom among other things. Duren doesn't seem like he has any motor issues but his IQ/awareness looks better than rookie Drummond so far as well. We'll see but I'm buying into the hype train for now

[Invictus88]

Work on those FTs and his potential is real nice. He looks better than a guy like Drummond at this age, just needs to add a bit more softness to them.

His basketball IQ is light years higher than Drummond's, not to mention the relentless motor that Drummond didn't have.
Usually you see guys like this with freak athleticism but they're missing something upstairs. Duren has that rare combination of both, it's going to be fun to see this potential unlocked over the next 5+ years.

It's funny how an 18-year old can learn to successfully box out and play within himself whereas Drummond has failed in this lesson his entire career.

[Invictus88]

I do hope Duren improves his cardio a bit. You can tell he starts to lag a bit and it's completely natural for a guy just coming into the league to have these issues.

It's just so tantalizing to see how disruptive he is at full speed and think about how that could impact an entire game.

I don't want to go further into comparisons with other former Pistons because it wouldn't be fair to Duren but the fact that I'm even going there is pretty exciting.

[Invictus88]

Duren doesn't seem like he has any motor issues but his IQ/awareness looks better than rookie current Drummond so far as well. We'll see but I'm buying into the hype train for now

Fixed.