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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#101 » by dVs33 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:14 am

I only watched the second half, but it wasn’t great. Burks, duren and Hayes were bright spots
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#102 » by ComboGuardCity » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:19 am

Johnny Kane was wild tonight lol
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#103 » by vege » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:27 am

bstein14 wrote:yet he was often left wide open and the rest of the team struggled a bit while Killian was in the game. In Killian's 35 minutes played the team was -21 (got dominated for a 2nd night in a row while Killian was in) and for the 13 minutes Killian sat on the bench the team was +14.


That's the thing. Even when his stats are good, he is hurting the team. The defense on Bojan in the 2nd half was insane, because they can leave Killian open.

Lakers won this game in a 20-5 run, and that happened while Bagley and Hayes were on the court, and that's no accident.

Ivey was a disaster this game as well. He was left open and they were begging him to shoot his 3's, because he was cousing them a lot of trouble when he was attacking the basket, and he decided to take the open 3's and miss absolutely all of them, untill the last few seconds when the game was already decided.

Bey is not a good basketball player right now, I don't know what's up with him, but he is terrible. Livers is not helping either.

Burks/Hami/Duren/Noel were great today and Bojan did everything he could do to carry 4 terrible players on his back tonight.

Highlight of the game was the Killian/Knox/Bagley lineup for me.
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#104 » by buzzkilloton » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:18 am

bstein14 wrote:Killian has with a great game... 7-14 shooting 9 assists and 0 TOs and aggressive on defense and yet he was often left wide open and the rest of the team struggled a bit while Killian was in the game. In Killian's 35 minutes played the team was -21 (got dominated for a 2nd night in a row while Killian was in) and for the 13 minutes Killian sat on the bench the team was +14.


You shouldnt draw conclusions from a stat that shows AD as the 3rd best player on the Lakers today. AD had 38 16 4blk on 62.5% shooting and 18/20 from the line.

AD +4
Westbrick +11
Reaves +14

So much noise in + -. Killian was no question one of our best players today. He was finding open players, playing good d, and he shot well. Of course being one of our best players tonight isnt really saying much were the worst team ITL :D
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#105 » by buzzkilloton » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:25 am

If you look at Iveys stats today you would know he was awful. That said you wont realize how awful he was. Rather then looking for good shots he was jacking 3pters early in the clock.

"I checked the tape. Ivey’s nine 3-point attempts were with the shot clock at: 15, 3.4,16, 21, 16, 15, 15, 9, 16."

Thats alot of wasted possessions by Ivey right there.

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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#106 » by El Chivo » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:32 am

Bagley and Bey are awful.
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#107 » by Rodman » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:28 am

As a coach I do not see Casey as this great developer of talent. What in the world is going on with Bey? I fear for Cade and Ivey's development under Casey. Someone has to take blame for this mess and Weaver is not going to fire himself. Time to bring in a new coach to start teaching these young men how to play the right way. I have no problem bringing in Udoka as head coach. Screw a tank. Where is the development?
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#108 » by MotownMadness » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:29 am

Rodman wrote:As a coach I do not see Casey as this great developer of talent. What in the world is going on with Bey? I fear for Cade and Ivey's development under Casey. Someone has to take blame for this mess and Weaver is not going to fire himself. Time to bring in a new coach to start teaching these young men how to play the right way. I have no problem bringing in Udoka as head coach. Screw a tank. Where is the development?

Yeah something is off in development department
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#109 » by bstein14 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:21 pm

I don't see how anyone can feel good about the money we paid Bagley.... You could literally take that money and just a little extra and get a decent starting level player that impacts winning in a positive way.

Duren and Bagley both played 22 minutes last night and Duren was so much more impactful in his minutes.

Bagley 5-10 and 3 rebounds (several of his makes were set ups right at the rim from teammates, and he took and bricked 2 threes)
Duren 5-7 and 8 rebounds and 1 block and contested way more shots at the rim
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If Noel played more over Bagley we might actually have won last night. Noel knows his role and isn't shooting threes he has no chance of making.... and knows how to play interior defense.

Diallo is a much more impactful player than Bagley and is essentially the same age. Diallo also rebounds at a similar rate and is a better defender. Neither guy can shoot, yet people here want to dump Diallo out of the rotation and are happy to have Bagley at $13+ million per year for 3 seasons. Bagley is a big body and can score inside but he's not a starter and not even ideal to be your 6th or 7th man. His ideal role is a likely low MPG backup center behind a good starting center (which hopefully Duren becomes).
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#110 » by MortSahlfan » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:35 pm

I got a lot detractors for saying we shouldn't have signed Bagley. He's not rim-running, and Killian and Cade would love to throw them. And to start him? Duren already is a better player, and Bagley is taking his minutes and when we needed him, he got fouls. He looks like he's drunk. This is why he didn't play in Sac... He got numbers last year in a few handfuls of meaningless games for a contract.

Same thing when I didn't understand Hami only playing a few minutes. We suck because we can't defend. We have young guys, so forget that awful half-court. We simply need to defend (rebound) and run... run... run... When we were a good team, I remember all the bad teams at least had "fun" offense and lost, but we're losing and looking ugly. Every team has injuries, and all of ours are minor, compared to . Chet being out all year and others.

Bey shot 38% from 3 his first year. Then he started backing down. I get it. If you're gonna lose, why not. I don't know if that's a reason for him shooting 35% last yr, and about 29% this year. I think after his rookie season, teams thought, "Run him off the 3", but Bey passes up open shots for off-balanced garbage. I like Livers, and if he defends, then he can't hurt us too much, but those are open 3's. Maybe get a layup, or a one-dribble mid-range pull-up.

I really don't want Miles Bridges. We're not contenders, and he's not a "good" vet. He pleaded no contest, which means he beat the hell out of his family. No thanks. We have good guys on our team right now and it's best not to mess with that. We just need better players, but we're not close enough to take salary or trade draft picks.


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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#111 » by bstein14 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:36 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Killian has with a great game... 7-14 shooting 9 assists and 0 TOs and aggressive on defense and yet he was often left wide open and the rest of the team struggled a bit while Killian was in the game. In Killian's 35 minutes played the team was -21 (got dominated for a 2nd night in a row while Killian was in) and for the 13 minutes Killian sat on the bench the team was +14.


You shouldnt draw conclusions from a stat that shows AD as the 3rd best player on the Lakers today. AD had 38 16 4blk on 62.5% shooting and 18/20 from the line.

AD +4
Westbrick +11
Reaves +14

So much noise in + -. Killian was no question one of our best players today. He was finding open players, playing good d, and he shot well. Of course being one of our best players tonight isnt really saying much were the worst team ITL :D



I said Killian played good(best game of the season by far for him), but the team got dominated while he was on the floor for the 2nd night in a row. And outplayed LA by quite a bit once again when Killian was off the floor. It's encouraging to see him make shots with confidence if he continues to do so he'll have no problem sticking in the league as a backup PG. He's good defensively so he doesn't even need to be good on offense, he just can't be horrible on offense. If he's below average scoring I'll take that all day from him with everything else he provides.
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#112 » by DetroitSho » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:12 pm

MortSahlfan wrote:I got a lot detractors for saying we shouldn't have signed Bagley. He's not rim-running, and Killian and Cade would love to throw them. And to start him? Duren already is a better player, and Bagley is taking his minutes and when we needed him, he got fouls. He looks like he's drunk. This is why he didn't play in Sac... He got numbers last year in a few handfuls of meaningless games for a contract.

Same thing when I didn't understand Hami only playing a few minutes. We suck because we can't defend. We have young guys, so forget that awful half-court. We simply need to defend (rebound) and run... run... run... When we were a good team, I remember all the bad teams at least had "fun" offense and lost, but we're losing and looking ugly. Every team has injuries, and all of ours are minor, compared to . Chet being out all year and others.

Bey shot 38% from 3 his first year. Then he started backing down. I get it. If you're gonna lose, why not. I don't know if that's a reason for him shooting 35% last yr, and about 29% this year. I think after his rookie season, teams thought, "Run him off the 3", but Bey passes up open shots for off-balanced garbage. I like Livers, and if he defends, then he can't hurt us too much, but those are open 3's. Maybe get a layup, or a one-dribble mid-range pull-up.

I really don't want Miles Bridges. We're not contenders, and he's not a "good" vet. He pleaded no contest, which means he beat the hell out of his family. No thanks. We have good guys on our team right now and it's best not to mess with that. We just need better players, but we're not close enough to take salary or trade draft picks.


What exactly was the point in bringing up Bridges?

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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#113 » by A_dub06 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:39 pm

bstein14 wrote:I don't see how anyone can feel good about the money we paid Bagley.... You could literally take that money and just a little extra and get a decent starting level player that impacts winning in a positive way.

Duren and Bagley both played 22 minutes last night and Duren was so much more impactful in his minutes.

Bagley 5-10 and 3 rebounds (several of his makes were set ups right at the rim from teammates, and he took and bricked 2 threes)
Duren 5-7 and 8 rebounds and 1 block and contested way more shots at the rim
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If Noel played more over Bagley we might actually have won last night. Noel knows his role and isn't shooting threes he has no chance of making.... and knows how to play interior defense.

Diallo is a much more impactful player than Bagley and is essentially the same age. Diallo also rebounds at a similar rate and is a better defender. Neither guy can shoot, yet people here want to dump Diallo out of the rotation and are happy to have Bagley at $13+ million per year for 3 seasons. Bagley is a big body and can score inside but he's not a starter and not even ideal to be your 6th or 7th man. His ideal role is a likely low MPG backup center behind a good starting center (which hopefully Duren becomes).


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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#114 » by Rip32 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:16 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:Killian is our best player now

That's not a good thing. Hayes is too inconsistent to be relied on.
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Re: Pistons-Lakers (10:30) 

Post#115 » by Kalamazoo317 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:03 pm

Rough game. Really thought we could steal that one after three quarters. But it's tough to win when Cade and Stew are out and Ivey and Bey shoot that terribly. Bogie, Burks, and Killian kept us in it. Haimi had a pretty solid game too.

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