Some all-star break stats on Pistons scoring.

[bstein14]

With this young and athletic team, I think to myself why are we only a middle of the road team in transition basketball.

#1. Cade was awful as a rookie and in 12 games this year still awful in transition basketball. He turns it over about 25% of the time in transition and hasn't been effective scoring either. About 95% of the league is better/more efficient in transition than Cade.

#2. Killian also is high TO rate (26.6% of his transition plays end up in TOs which is super high as well). Killian ends up with just 0.91 points per possession on fast breaks.

#3. Livers, Bagley, Duren, Bojan, and Diallo are all solid in transition with a PPP of 1.20 or higher, but many of our main young guys like Cade(.55)/Killian(.91)/Stewart(.86)/Ivey (.99) are not good. Ivey I think has gotten quite a bit better as the season has gone on for a while he was just going full speed and missing layups, getting charges or going into crowds.

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When looking at Isolation basketball one player on our team really sticks out as great and that is Alec Burks(1.41 points per iso possession this year) who is better than over 99% of other players in the league in ISO. Last year Diallo was our best player in this category and he is still slightly above average but is third this year behind Burks and Bojan.

Other things worth noting, in Cade's 12 games with Detroit he wasn't an effective ISO scorer and also had a huge TO% at 27% of his ISO plays ending in TO.... of course Killian is our worst player in ISO in just the 13% percentile with an eFG% of 36.9%

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When looking at pick and role basketball, our best player with the ball in his hands during a pick and roll was Bey who was in the 88th percentile in the league. Cade and Burks are also good and effective as the pick and role ball handler, but Bojan is surprisingly maybe least effective scoring as the pick and role ball handler. We only make .88 points per posession when Bojan is the pick and role ball handler.

Of course once again Killian Hayes is the tank MVP running the pick and role on the team in his 5.2 pick and role posessions per game the team only puts up 0.72 points per possession which puts him in the bottom 5th of the league in results as the pick and roll ball handler.... this puts Hayes ahead of only Diallo on the team and Diallo rarely is the pick and role ball handler (he gets maybe one screen set for him on ball every other game and usually never a set play just someone running up to screen for him when he has the ball in his hands).

When you look at the guys setting the screen, Bojan is best but Duren, Bagley, and Stewart are all right there when they get the ball after setting a pick they are all above league average in scoring the basketball after the screen. Surprisingly, Duren, Stew, and Bagley are all very even here and they also all take about the same % of shots after screens.

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In the post up game Bey was our best and most efficient post scorer and was in the 80th percentile (better than 4 out of 5 NBA players) scoring 1.1 points per posession in the post on about 1 post up per game on average. Surprisingly, Bagley III gets the most low post touches per game at about 2 per game, but he also is very inefficient down there and only gets 0.81 points per possession on post ups which puts him in the 25th percentile down low. Duren doesn't get many post up chances (about one every other game) but he's close to league average down there and Stew is the worst of our bigs down low on post ups.

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When you look at shooting the basketball its no surprise that Burks and Bojan are our leaders and in the 95th and 93rd percentile at 1.30 & 1.27 points per possession shooting the basketball which puts him in an elite area, especially for shooting as much as they do.

Kevin Knox was our third best player with 1.09 and then we've got Bagley (1.03) and Stew (0.98) close to league average. No surprise here, but Killian is the worst on the team at 0.76 points per jumper on average and Diallo isn't much better at 0.88 points per jumper while Ivey is at 0.93 points per jump shot.

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It's a small sample size, but interesting none the less... Diallo is best on our team and one of the best in the league at scoring after getting an offensive rebound. Surprising for a guard to beat out the bigs here, but Diallo scores 1.36 points per possession after grabbing the offense board, while Bagley isn't far behind at 1.32 and then we have Duren at 1.2 which is also solid. Stew a bit weaker here in the 27th percentile at 0.98... it seems like Stew should perhaps be kicking a few of these back out rather than always going back up with them... or perhaps he's missing on some tips hard to say for sure.

[zeebneeb]

I am a stat guy, so I appreciate the breakdown, but rating any of our players is as close to impossible as it can get, because there is, as far as I can tell by watching, no real offensive system in place, or its so rudimentary as to be worthless.

I don't know how many times I have watched Hayes, Livers, Burks, you name it, either look at Casey for guidance, or put their arms out saying "I have no clue" it cracks me up.

I really wonder how these guys would look under a coach with a pedigree.

[JerseyJungle]

Thanks for this breakdown.
There's not a whole lot of good news here.
Bey was our best post-up player? Never would have predicted that.
Hayes, I thought looked better this year, but this brings that perception crashing down.

I really think that if we get Scoot, we ought to put Cade on the market. I don't see how there's going to be enough balls for Cade, Ivey and Scoot.

[Manocad]

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Pistons have so many key players that are questionable fringe players in the league getting valuable minutes that it has to be hard to meaningfully look at the stats. I don't think Hayes - despite some growth - is an NBA rotation player. Beef Stew has a long, successful career at being a great bench player, but we start him. I love both Duren and Ivey, but they're so young still, especially Duren who next year will still be younger than a majority of the first round picks.

I appreciated looking at the stats though as they are.