The Real reason Weaver moved on from Bey? He wanted 4 years $95 million extension this summer.

[MortSahlfan]

Interesting listening to the Hawks broadcaster say "Bey brings a toughness, defensive attitude, and we see how great his offensive game is"

Home team broadcasters putting a polish on home team players? Say it ain't so!

I wish Bey well, but having watched him some in his Atlanta games so far he looks pretty much like the Bey we knew. Atlanta is a better team and he benefits from that.

I saw the first quarter. He came off the bench, hit 3/3 from 3, defended well, and had a very nice assist after driving to the basket - quick response. We saw Lauri play in Chicago only because half their team was injured, and then goes to Utah and becomes an all-star. Not that I'm expecting that from him. We haven't had Cade all year, so who knows.

I just find this tanking to draft players we're going to trade for unproven players kinda redundant. I rather have a two-way player (sad to even have to say it).. Mikal Bridges for example. Or a guy like Josh Hart. Doesn't excite, but plays on both ends.

[Manocad]

From what some of our beat writers said it sounds like our coaching staff were trying to discourage Bey from trying to be a playmaker and taking the ball inside too much (where he shot poorly and often turned it over), and focus more on his three point shooting. But he actually seems to be listening to the coaching staff in Atlanta and sticking to his perimeter game.

Should note though that his defense continues to be bad and his advanced stats in this area are the same in Atlanta as they were here.

Yep. He was -16 in 32 minutes. The next closest guy on the Hawks was -9 in 36 minutes. So any narrative that Atlanta is making Bey so much better of a player is disingenuous. Look at his stats; he's just as inconsistent offensively with the Hawks as he was here, scoring 12, 2, 19, 6, 12, 7, 22, and 17. All games in which he played significant minutes (18-34). He's just shooting the 3 better and taking more of them, which is what he should have been doing in Detroit.

+/-, bpm, and on/off stats all have him as a positive player on the court so far. Wiseman on the other hand, his advanced stats are dreadful for us... small sample size tho

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Look at his stats from his games with Atlanta. He's a plus player when he DOESN'T score, and a minus player when he does. You can't play both sides of the fence.

[mattao313]

Yep. He was -16 in 32 minutes. The next closest guy on the Hawks was -9 in 36 minutes. So any narrative that Atlanta is making Bey so much better of a player is disingenuous. Look at his stats; he's just as inconsistent offensively with the Hawks as he was here, scoring 12, 2, 19, 6, 12, 7, 22, and 17. All games in which he played significant minutes (18-34). He's just shooting the 3 better and taking more of them, which is what he should have been doing in Detroit.

+/-, bpm, and on/off stats all have him as a positive player on the court so far. Wiseman on the other hand, his advanced stats are dreadful for us... small sample size tho

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Look at his stats from his games with Atlanta. He's a plus player when he DOESN'T score, and a minus player when he does. You can't play both sides of the fence.

His advanced stats are good in Atlanta I'm not sure what you getting at here. Even here he close to neutral or a positive

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[Manocad]

+/-, bpm, and on/off stats all have him as a positive player on the court so far. Wiseman on the other hand, his advanced stats are dreadful for us... small sample size tho

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Look at his stats from his games with Atlanta. He's a plus player when he DOESN'T score, and a minus player when he does. You can't play both sides of the fence.

His advanced stats are good in Atlanta I'm not sure what you getting at here. Even here he close to neutral or a positive

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That he’s still inconsistent as a scorer and still plays bad defense. He’s just shooting 3’s better; that’s it. Exactly what I said.

[breezypeezy]

This argument that we have too many bigs and not enough minutes for them isnt very convincing to me. The problem is the coach, his rotations and lazy, rigid , minute allocations.

We get crushed every third quarter after the half because the opposition simply takes advantage of Casey's refusal to make any matchup adjustments and his obsession with playing smallish, cruddy guards that are overwhelmed against teams that can run 6-10ish shooting guards and bonafide NBA sized front court players.

Looking at the minute allocations, Casey has only been giving the 3 front court positions about 100 minutes, we should be giving them thier true 144ish minutes and banishing the CoJo, MacGruder type minutes.
Just giving Diallo more of Killians minutes makes us more competitive as well.
Casey is actually still just pushing his smallball BS even though we do not have the roster to pull that off.

We have the minutes to play a full contingement of competitive bigs, Casey is blocking it.......cuz reasons....

The smallball hasnt worked in 3 yrs so the arguments about spacing, switching, perimeter D and shooting are all kneejerk, what we can see is we havent won giving marginal guards 40 extra minutes that could have went to actual NBA sized players.

I dont understand the double/triple/quadribling down on failed strategy and excess usage of your weakest players over and over and over.
PLAY THE EFFICIENT BIGS.

Editing to add: Last seasons Celtic club is the perfect example. They won the East playing 4 legitimate front court players, all getting 24 to 36 minutes. They had Horford both Williams and Tatum and they benefitted from all 4 of them on the roster.

[Laimbeer]

We have cap this summer. Could we have gotten him to take a bit less and front load the contract? Those out years may have looked okay.