Pistons-Heat (7pm)

[NYPiston]

Have at it. If you believe that Casey is trying to win every game possible and just sits silently by while all his best players are benched then I don’t know what to tell you.

I don't even know what you're arguing tbh. I just called out his bad coaching in that sequence, that's it that's all.

[Manocad]

Have at it. If you believe that Casey is trying to win every game possible and just sits silently by while all his best players are benched then I don’t know what to tell you.

I don't even know what you're arguing tbh. I just called out his bad coaching in that sequence, that's it that's all.

I don’t know what YOU’RE arguing. You’re calling out Casey for bad coaching with a limited roster.

[NYPiston]

I don’t know what YOU’RE arguing. You’re calling out Casey for bad coaching with a limited roster.

A limited roster is even more reason to play freaking Jimmy Butler one on one when he's slicing and dicing you.

Anyway, I think it's bad coaching and you don't((at least that's what I think you're arguing) so we'll just agree to disagree.

[JD43320]

Pistons got crushed down the stretch because Casey put Wiseman in to guard Jimmy Butler. We went from up 1 to down 7 in those 2 minutes. It was a disaster class in coaching aka classic Casey coaching. Even when his teams were winning games he would make dumbfounding decisions that got his teams crushed. He's just a bad in game coach. Maybe behind the scenes he's good at working with the guys in practice but at some point this team needs a coach that actually puts his players in a position to succeed during games. Casey is not that.

[whitehops]

I hope Omoruyi sticks around. One of those guys who’s never going to be stuffing a stat sheet but is never a negative player.

I’m really glad we have a team option for him next season. I don’t know if he’d be a part of the regular rotation but I’d much rather have players like him as your third stringers than taking hail Mary’s on guys like RJ Hampton (just as an example).

Also I was pretty surprised that he’s only listed as 6’6, he plays like he’s 6’8. Guess being athletic, big, physical and having a big wingspan helps.

[flow]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

[Invictus88]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

Are you now trying to imply that a lack of forum posts somehow points to Duren & Wiseman not working?

As in: folks were actually watching the game and chose not to comment because it didn't work?

In all your time on this board when have you ever seen the complainers on this board miss an opportunity to try and bury players? Heck. They go out of their way to invent reasons to do so.

Your post is proof of this.

P.S. I watched pieces of the game. Very meh in terms of actual gameplay. It's the dregs of a tanking season. I made no posts because I didn't care to log in at the time.

[Manocad]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

Duren and Wiseman have played PLENTY of minutes together. Just hadn't started together. They play together really well IMO.

That was the impetus for a recent post of mine in which I stated that the idea that two "centers", i.e. twin towers, can't play together because it would "clog the paint" and "not stretch the floor" is based solely on a perceived paradigm of the so-called "today's NBA," not that it can't actually work.

[flow]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

Are you now trying to imply that a lack of forum posts somehow points to Duren & Wiseman not working?

As in: folks were actually watching the game and chose not to comment because it didn't work?

In all your time on this board when have you ever seen the complainers on this board miss an opportunity to try and bury players? Heck. They go out of their way to invent reasons to do so.

Your post is proof of this.

P.S. I watched pieces of the game. Very meh in terms of actual gameplay. It's the dregs of a tanking season. I made no posts because I didn't care to log in at the time.

Don't be so paranoid.

Duren & Wiseman playing together has been a topic of conversation on this board. Will we ever see it? Could it work?

It happened yesterday. They started together. People were in the game thread, but no one talked about it. Figured if guys had realized they were starting/playing together, it would have been talked about. I was curious how they looked playing together. That's all. From the box score, looks like Duren went off.

[flow]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

Duren and Wiseman have played PLENTY of minutes together. Just hadn't started together. They play together really well IMO.

That was the impetus for a recent post of mine in which I stated that the idea that two "centers", i.e. twin towers, can't play together because it would "clog the paint" and "not stretch the floor" is based solely on a perceived paradigm of the so-called "today's NBA," not that it can't actually work.

I'll defer to you since you've been watching more than I have. But my understanding was that they hadn't played together much at all. Duren subs in for Wiseman and vice versa.

[Invictus88]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

Are you now trying to imply that a lack of forum posts somehow points to Duren & Wiseman not working?

As in: folks were actually watching the game and chose not to comment because it didn't work?

In all your time on this board when have you ever seen the complainers on this board miss an opportunity to try and bury players? Heck. They go out of their way to invent reasons to do so.

Your post is proof of this.

P.S. I watched pieces of the game. Very meh in terms of actual gameplay. It's the dregs of a tanking season. I made no posts because I didn't care to log in at the time.

Don't be so paranoid.

Duren & Wiseman playing together has been a topic of conversation on this board. Will we ever see it? Could it work?

It happened yesterday. They started together. People were in the game thread, but no one talked about it. Figured if guys had realized they were starting/playing together, it would have been talked about. I was curious how they looked playing together. That's all. From the box score, looks like Duren went off.

So instead of actually saying "Hey. I missed the game last night and apparently Duren & Wiseman started last night for the first time. Did anyone watch it and can they give their impression on how they looked? " You write what you wrote.

In answering that question:

Duren looked like his same effective self; making impacts on defense and rebounding and generally fitting into what he was being given on offense. Just generally being efficient.

Wiseman looked more forced. I wanted to see him take more shots outside to stretch the floor and pass more out of the post. In the glimpses of what I saw I didn't witness either. Both of these are learned skills that are imperative to these two being able to play together. Defensively he needs to gain about 20-30 lbs and become much more aware in terms of help and switching. None of these issues are new. I hope the weight is addressed in the offseason. I hope the defense sinks in with more dedicated coaching.

Together there were definitely times where the offense in general was confused; as evidenced by at least one timeout that Casey took when the offense stagnated. But again I think this is par for the course with this lineup. (if this continues to be an issue past next preseason it will be a problem).

TLDR: Duran can play with basically any lineup and largely be effective. Wiseman needs to be able to adjust his game to do so and hasn't yet shown that he can. It has been one game though.

[Drwho17]

I don't care what anyone says about Wiseman, this kid can score like crazy. Good post moves, nice touch, and gets after it. If his defense ever picks up, he's a damn good player. Like really damn good.

I think you see glimpses, however what worries me about him is that he plays a weak game, opposite of Duren, if he played with more aggression/force to go with his natural talent he could be a real good player.

[Manocad]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

Duren and Wiseman have played PLENTY of minutes together. Just hadn't started together. They play together really well IMO.

That was the impetus for a recent post of mine in which I stated that the idea that two "centers", i.e. twin towers, can't play together because it would "clog the paint" and "not stretch the floor" is based solely on a perceived paradigm of the so-called "today's NBA," not that it can't actually work.

I'll defer to you since you've been watching more than I have. But my understanding was that they hadn't played together much at all. Duren subs in for Wiseman and vice versa.

Yeah, Wiseman, Duren and Bagley have actually had plenty of overlap where two of them are on the floor at the same time.

[flow]

Duren and Wiseman have played PLENTY of minutes together. Just hadn't started together. They play together really well IMO.

That was the impetus for a recent post of mine in which I stated that the idea that two "centers", i.e. twin towers, can't play together because it would "clog the paint" and "not stretch the floor" is based solely on a perceived paradigm of the so-called "today's NBA," not that it can't actually work.

I'll defer to you since you've been watching more than I have. But my understanding was that they hadn't played together much at all. Duren subs in for Wiseman and vice versa.

Yeah, Wiseman, Duren and Bagley have actually had plenty of overlap where two of them are on the floor at the same time.

Right, I knew Bagley did. He'd been starting at the 4.

[Kalamazoo317]

When the offense was more organized, I thought they looked really good. Put Cade into that lineup instead of Hayes and give it time to gel, and I think there might be something there. Not sure if Bojan being in for Livers is a net upgrade or downgrade with how well Livers has been shooting and how bad Bojan is on defense.

[whitehops]

I didn't see any of the game last night. And apparently no one else was paying much attention, either.

Why do I say that, you ask?

Because apparently Duren & Wiseman both started last night. Played together for the first time. And not a peep about it or how they looked/played together.

it wasn't pretty. they tried to force a ton of passes to wiseman in the post because bam was guarding duren and it worked sometimes, most times didn't because the heat fronted and had weakside help. defensively the heat got a ton of open looks from 3 and butler wasn't even looking to score in the first half.

the wiseman trial isn't going anywhere near as well as bagley's trial last season and look at how bagley has played since we locked him up.