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[GreekAlex]

Ivey's stats

Pre All-Star
15.2 PPG
33.2% from deep (on 4.2 attempts per game)
4.6 APG (2.8 TO)

Post All-Star
19.3 PPG
36.4% from deep (on 6.4 attempts per game)
7.1 APG (4.3 TO too high here for sure)

Ivey was nearly a 20 and 7 player with a TS% of 53.8% after the all-star game. (which is a little below average but certainly not as bad as some of our young rookies recently).

I was pretty high on Bey coming into this season as well because he was a 19+ PPG scorer his last few months last season as well on about league average efficiency.

Ivey will need to increase his efficiency, drop the TOs, and improve defensively to really take the step forward we need him to as a Sophomore.

Can you point me in the right direction to find Banchero’s pre & post all-star splits?

[chrbal]

Ivey's stats

Pre All-Star
15.2 PPG
33.2% from deep (on 4.2 attempts per game)
4.6 APG (2.8 TO)

Post All-Star
19.3 PPG
36.4% from deep (on 6.4 attempts per game)
7.1 APG (4.3 TO too high here for sure)

Ivey was nearly a 20 and 7 player with a TS% of 53.8% after the all-star game. (which is a little below average but certainly not as bad as some of our young rookies recently).

I was pretty high on Bey coming into this season as well because he was a 19+ PPG scorer his last few months last season as well on about league average efficiency.

Ivey will need to increase his efficiency, drop the TOs, and improve defensively to really take the step forward we need him to as a Sophomore.

Can you point me in the right direction to find Banchero’s pre & post all-star splits?

Click this, it’s like the 3rd category

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/banchpa01/splits/2023

[tmorgan]

For a very likely ROY winner, PB actually wasn’t very good this year. Average rebounder, poor defender, ok passer but not as good as I expected. Very inefficient scorer for a big. His future is still bright, of course, but he struggled quite a bit at times, particularly in February.

[bstein14]

For a very likely ROY winner, PB actually wasn’t very good this year. Average rebounder, poor defender, ok passer but not as good as I expected. Very inefficient scorer for a big. His future is still bright, of course, but he struggled quite a bit at times, particularly in February.

Correct, Walker Kessler(Utah) and Jalen Williams (OKC) didn't have as good of raw stats, but when it comes to playing winning basketball I think both likely out performed Banchero.

[ComboGuardCity]

For a very likely ROY winner, PB actually wasn’t very good this year. Average rebounder, poor defender, ok passer but not as good as I expected. Very inefficient scorer for a big. His future is still bright, of course, but he struggled quite a bit at times, particularly in February.

Correct, Walker Kessler(Utah) and Jalen Williams (OKC) didn't have as good of raw stats, but when it comes to playing winning basketball I think both likely out performed Banchero.

They both had much better structure to be fair.

[mattao313]

Meh banchero had a good rookie season imo

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[Pharaoh]

Meh banchero had a good rookie season imo

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Think the convo was more about playing "winning" basketball as opposed to individual skills or stats

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[Kalamazoo317]

Meh banchero had a good rookie season imo

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Think the convo was more about playing "winning" basketball as opposed to individual skills or stats

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"Winning basketball" was the justification for Barnes winning last year, right?

[bstein14]

Meh banchero had a good rookie season imo

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Think the convo was more about playing "winning" basketball as opposed to individual skills or stats

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"Winning basketball" was the justification for Barnes winning last year, right?

For me, a lot of the times the difference between just putting up stats and playing winning basketball is about efficiency on offense and playing good defense.

Like Trae Young puts up 26.2 PPG and 10.2 APG but he plays horrible defense, has a league average TS% and commits 4.1 TO per game.

I'd take Mikal Bridges over him, who put up 20.1 PPG with above average scoring efficiency and really solid defense.

[440BB]

Think the convo was more about playing "winning" basketball as opposed to individual skills or stats

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"Winning basketball" was the justification for Barnes winning last year, right?

For me, a lot of the times the difference between just putting up stats and playing winning basketball is about efficiency on offense and playing good defense.

Like Trae Young puts up 26.2 PPG and 10.2 APG but he plays horrible defense, has a league average TS% and commits 4.1 TO per game.

I'd take Mikal Bridges over him, who put up 20.1 PPG with above average scoring efficiency and really solid defense.

Based on reports Atlanta is looking at trade options, I think they've realized the same thing.

[MortSahlfan]

I'd love to have Mikal Bridges. A guy who is great and never misses a game. I've said it a million times, but if a guy can't play defense, I don't want him. I'm tired of hearing about "high floor, low ceiling" (Tyler Haliburton). I wouldn't mind if we traded the draft pick for a proven guy. I don't believe you have to lose 15 years in a row just to be the Kings.