Official: Were you here when the Pistons hit rock bottom?

[Mr Peanut]

Since Weaver has been here the "rock bottom" has been better than Joe's last years and SVGs tenure.

Considering the young talent we have under contract there's more hope now than there's been in 10 years:

All the kids need to spend this off-season working flat out and cone ready to go in October

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I mean you can't really look at it that way. It was a time during the SVG days things were looking good and he was picking up talent for trash. So yeah right now weavers times are OK but we don't know how it'll be in the future. Hopefully we get wembanyama.

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SVG days were looking good?

He might have won trades but where did the collective go under his watch?

We can only really judge Weaver after he's fired - even then maybe not. He's still in the honeymoon phase as far as Gores goes - hence his extension

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From memory there was a lot of positivity on this forum towards the end of and after the 2015/16 season. We had won 44 games and played the Cavs pretty tightly in 3 out of 4 playoff games, albeit we still were swept. Drummond had just had an All-Star season and was looking like he could develop into a dominant player. Reggie Jackson had a borderline All-Star season and looked like our PGOTF. Tobias Harris had played really well after being traded here. Marcus Morris and KCP were both solid and Stanley Johnson looked like he had a lot of potential.

Then SVG blew our cap space on Jon Leuer, Ish Smith and Boban and essentially all of our young core regressed and the rest is history.

[JNewton]

From memory there was a lot of positivity on this forum towards the end of and after the 2015/16 season. We had won 44 games and played the Cavs pretty tightly in 3 out of 4 playoff games, albeit we still were swept. Drummond had just had an All-Star season and was looking like he could develop into a dominant player. Reggie Jackson had a borderline All-Star season and looked like our PGOTF. Tobias Harris had played really well after being traded here. Marcus Morris and KCP were both solid and Stanley Johnson looked like he had a lot of potential.

Then SVG blew our cap space on Jon Leuer, Ish Smith and Boban and essentially all of our young core regressed and the rest is history.

That's how I recall it. I don't think anyone was under the impression that group was going to progress into a championship team or anything, but it was looking more promising than anything that the Pistons had put together since the Charlie V/Ben Gordon fiasco. I personally thought SVG did a pretty reasonable job his first two years, given the scorched earth wasteland he inherited from the end of the Dumars era, but yes - he went completely off the rails with the 2016 cap spike. I remember hearing or reading a rumor somewhere that he was targeting Al Horford that summer, which would have been an interesting move to add to that team. Perhaps he didn't have any viable backup plan when Horford went to Boston.

[Uncle Mxy]

Hey, Ish Smith was a quality backup PG we didn't overspend for. That was ultimately one of SVG's better choices.

I liked Boban, but why SVG signed Boban for big $ when we were paying Drummond big, had Baynes, and admitted having no idea of what to do with him still boggles me.

Leuer was the right idea, but the wrong player.

[bstein14]

I mean you can't really look at it that way. It was a time during the SVG days things were looking good and he was picking up talent for trash. So yeah right now weavers times are OK but we don't know how it'll be in the future. Hopefully we get wembanyama.

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SVG days were looking good?

He might have won trades but where did the collective go under his watch?

We can only really judge Weaver after he's fired - even then maybe not. He's still in the honeymoon phase as far as Gores goes - hence his extension

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From memory there was a lot of positivity on this forum towards the end of and after the 2015/16 season. We had won 44 games and played the Cavs pretty tightly in 3 out of 4 playoff games, albeit we still were swept. Drummond had just had an All-Star season and was looking like he could develop into a dominant player. Reggie Jackson had a borderline All-Star season and looked like our PGOTF. Tobias Harris had played really well after being traded here. Marcus Morris and KCP were both solid and Stanley Johnson looked like he had a lot of potential.

Then SVG blew our cap space on Jon Leuer, Ish Smith and Boban and essentially all of our young core regressed and the rest is history.

For sure, that group was young with potential.... to never come together and win a single playoff game I think falls largely on Drummond's lack of leadership as the MAX guy on the team.

[bstein14]

Hey, Ish Smith was a quality backup PG we didn't overspend for. That was ultimately one of SVG's better choices.

I liked Boban, but why SVG signed Boban for big $ when we were paying Drummond big, had Baynes, and admitted having no idea of what to do with him still boggles me.

Leuer was the right idea, but the wrong player.

Could have taken the Leuer + Boban money and just gotten Ryan Anderson who went to the Rockets and shot the lights out for years.

[mattao313]

Hey, Ish Smith was a quality backup PG we didn't overspend for. That was ultimately one of SVG's better choices.

I liked Boban, but why SVG signed Boban for big $ when we were paying Drummond big, had Baynes, and admitted having no idea of what to do with him still boggles me.

Leuer was the right idea, but the wrong player.

Could have taken the Leuer + Boban money and just gotten Ryan Anderson who went to the Rockets and shot the lights out for years.

Imo leuer was solid but then he kept getting injured and was garbage after that.

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[Snakebites]

Hey, Ish Smith was a quality backup PG we didn't overspend for. That was ultimately one of SVG's better choices.

I liked Boban, but why SVG signed Boban for big $ when we were paying Drummond big, had Baynes, and admitted having no idea of what to do with him still boggles me.

Leuer was the right idea, but the wrong player.

The bad contracts were Leuer, Boban, and Langston Galloway. Ish Smith was fine- I liked him even though he wasn't anything spectacular- just a solid veteran guy. There's a reason that journeyman has stuck in the league as long as he has.

Hey, Langston Galloway. There's a name nobody has thought of in a while!

[Mr Peanut]

From memory there was a lot of positivity on this forum towards the end of and after the 2015/16 season. We had won 44 games and played the Cavs pretty tightly in 3 out of 4 playoff games, albeit we still were swept. Drummond had just had an All-Star season and was looking like he could develop into a dominant player. Reggie Jackson had a borderline All-Star season and looked like our PGOTF. Tobias Harris had played really well after being traded here. Marcus Morris and KCP were both solid and Stanley Johnson looked like he had a lot of potential.

Then SVG blew our cap space on Jon Leuer, Ish Smith and Boban and essentially all of our young core regressed and the rest is history.

That's how I recall it. I don't think anyone was under the impression that group was going to progress into a championship team or anything, but it was looking more promising than anything that the Pistons had put together since the Charlie V/Ben Gordon fiasco. I personally thought SVG did a pretty reasonable job his first two years, given the scorched earth wasteland he inherited from the end of the Dumars era, but yes - he went completely off the rails with the 2016 cap spike. I remember hearing or reading a rumor somewhere that he was targeting Al Horford that summer, which would have been an interesting move to add to that team. Perhaps he didn't have any viable backup plan when Horford went to Boston.

Yeah, I believe we were one of the teams that met with Horford but ultimately he chose Boston. Even if he did sign here though I'm not sure if we would have progressed beyond the 50 win threshold, or ever made it beyond the first or second round of the playoffs.

[whitehops]

i know we showed some potential during the jennings/drummond-reggie/drummond era but i think rock bottom started when we literally had a starting front court of josh smith/greg monroe/drummond. we were getting publicly ridiculed and it got so bad we had to straight up cut josh smith when he had to cut smith 25% of the way into the 2nd season of his 4-year deal. especially considering his salary at the time it was an unprecedented move.

we stretched his contract out so we missed out on $5M for the next 5 years that could've helped improve the roster. literally $39.5M we lost altogether which is outrageous money for that time period.

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[Manocad]

Depends on what your definition of rock bottom is. If it's simply "lost the most games" then I guess this is it. I personally look at the team's potential and this team certainly looks to have more potential than previous teams even though it lost the most games, which was clearly the intention regardless of how bad a coach anyone thinks Casey is.

[IAmKrazy2]

Best Part of the Season:
Seeing the progression of Ivey's game throughout the year - and Duren playing as well as he did right away. The ceiling is high on both.

Worst Part of the Season:
Seeing how Weaver put together a team that didn't make sense - no real wings or power forwards, just a bunch of guards, centers, and hybrids between. That, and seeing guys like CoJo and Rodney getting significant minutes also drove me nuts.

[Wallace_Wallace]

i know we showed some potential during the jennings/drummond-reggie/drummond era but i think rock bottom started when we literally had a starting front court of josh smith/greg monroe/drummond. we were getting publicly ridiculed and it got so bad we had to straight up cut josh smith when he had to cut smith 25% of the way into the 2nd season of his 4-year deal. especially considering his salary at the time it was an unprecedented move.

we stretched his contract out so we missed out on $5M for the next 5 years that could've helped improve the roster. literally $39.5M we lost altogether which is outrageous money for that time period.

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Wtf dude, I almost cried watching that video....out of sadness and laughter

[Phobo_Phile]

I agree with some of the other old heads. This season wasn't anywhere near as bad as pretty much anything from trading Chauncey to the return of Brandon Knight in 2019. For years we complained about how Joe D. and SVG never would commit to a true rebuild. They both kept the team afloat with 30-40 win teams. Too good to get draft picks and too bad to do anything worthwhile with seemingly no avenues to improve. It's just unfortunate that the teardown and rebuild we needed is over a decade too late, so it's testing the patience of those that have none. But this is what it looks like guys. It's ugly, but our chances of coming out of it with a brighter future are so much better than ever before.

Besides, at least we aren't using the #9 pick to dump Ben Gordon's contract for Corey Maggette.

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