Is anyone else really high on Livers?

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His team was desperate for anyone to play well in that wing spot, SF/PF and he didn't do it very well.

I was extremely high on him because he seems to have all the skills - they just show up separately in different games. Sure, who knows, maybe he puts it together. But when a team is willing to play anyone who can play at least average ball and you don't step up, how can he be relied on when games actually matter?

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His team was desperate for anyone to play well in that wing spot, SF/PF and he didn't do it very well.

I was extremely high on him because he seems to have all the skills - they just show up separately in different games. Sure, who knows, maybe he puts it together. But when a team is willing to play anyone who can play at least average ball and you don't step up, how can he be relied on when games actually matter?

Yeah, I'm with you. He's almost 25 years old. He had a great opportunity last season to make meaningful contributions in the lineup, and he just wasn't consistent. He has a lot of trouble staying healthy, too. I'm still rooting for the guy because he does show those flashes, but he really needs to put it all together and remain available.

[tmorgan]

I like Livers. If you want to be optimistic, his mixed results and injuries should keep his price down, enabling us to retain him as a bench piece at a reasonable cost.

[Kilo]

He's a solid depth rotation type. At best.

[theBigLip]

He's a solid depth rotation type. At best.

Disagree. If he can stay healthy, that's his floor. High IQ, hustles, plays a team game. But he hasn't had a full season since his jr year in college. If that doesn't change, then he's not going to be around long.

[Kalamazoo317]

I think he's a solid wing connector and roleplayer. I don't think he needs to be a star, but he can be a 3 and D type we so desperately need on this team.

[vege]

9-10th player. Nothing more than that. He had a huge opportunity this season, and didn't do well. A 10 days contract dude was arguably better than him.

[bstein14]

Most nights Diallo was better than him. He also is about the same age as Diallo. Not sure Diallo is getting much more than league min this summer.... Livers looking like a near minimum end of rotation player.

[tradez401]

one thing about livers thats real annoying is how passive he is. there's been games where livers barely shoots the ball he'll get passes then instantly pass the ball to another player we need the guy to shoot the ball and have the offense flow more instead of just being in the game watching everybody else on the offense side of things.

[MortSahlfan]

I'd like to keep him. Bench player because he's passive on offense at times, but that's not a horrible problem to have. He passes. Oh well. He defends. Smart team guy. Good character guy. And because of his injuries, he aren't going to have to pay him much. Teams that go anywhere (Finals, Title) have chemistry, so I'd love to keep Diallo, who I agree is a better player. I can go on and on about the reasons for Diallo, but I'm sure I've written a book's worth already.

[theBigLip]

A lot of harsh comments for an injured player. I’d like to see him 100% for a full season then come back and see how accurate our comments are. If Grayson Allen can be a starter in this league, certainly Livers can too.

[DBC10]

A lot of harsh comments for an injured player. I’d like to see him 100% for a full season then come back and see how accurate our comments are. If Grayson Allen can be a starter in this league, certainly Livers can too.

Being able to stay healthy is also a relatively elite skill to have in this league. So far Livers hasn't had it at all. In fact, a lot of our guys that show some bright spots haven't been able to either before being derailed by injuries

In the aggregate, I think a lot of the placement of where he's at in the pecking order is accurate, and that's largely due to his inability to stay injury free. Having to always catch up to guys more healthy than him

[Spider156]

He's a solid depth rotation type. At best.

Disagree. If he can stay healthy, that's his floor. High IQ, hustles, plays a team game. But he hasn't had a full season since his jr year in college. If that doesn't change, then he's not going to be around long.

He can start for a championship much like many players can if you have a strong 1 and 2 which we have 3. It’s just a matter of time before these guys get it. It’s gonna take time, experience, coaching and veteran leadership.

[King Bugs]

I was thoroughly unimpressed with Livers. He was very okay.

He'll be lucky to be in the rotation next season... or on the roster for that matter. We're gonna be in the market for a forward in FA, we could potentially draft a forward... I think he might be on the shortlist of current Pistons that are ripe for a "draft night casualty deal" where we get a future 2nd rounder or 2.

[whitehops]

I was thoroughly unimpressed with Livers. He was very okay.

He'll be lucky to be in the rotation next season... or on the roster for that matter. We're gonna be in the market for a forward in FA, we could potentially draft a forward... I think he might be on the shortlist of current Pistons that are ripe for a "draft night casualty deal" where we get a future 2nd rounder or 2.

i'm not saying he couldn't get included in a deal but his team option is only for $1.8M next year and there's no expectations for him to play a big role. he could be out of the rotation but i think he's still a player worth holding on to in a supporting role. unless he's asked to be thrown into a worthwhile trade i'd say bring him back, see how he does and if he underperforms we let him walk next off season, if he thrives we have his full bird rights and can bring him back at whatever appropriate cost.

he has a team option but is scheduled to make the least on the roster next season, even less than hampton and omoruyi who we picked up late this season. dewayne dedmon's dead cap hit is more than livers' salary.

[Crymson]

I think he's got the potential to be a viable postseason-caliber role player, but he'd probably be at the end of the postseason rotation for a good team. And this assumes that he can really get it together as a perimeter shooter and, of course, stay healthy.

He was an eyesore this year. His attempts to do more than just shoot threes did not amount to much.

[Pharaoh]

I think he's got the potential to be a viable postseason-caliber role player, but he'd probably be at the end of the postseason rotation for a good team. And this assumes that he can really get it together as a perimeter shooter and, of course, stay healthy.

He was an eyesore this year. His attempts to do more than just shoot threes did not amount to much.

On a good team he's not in a playoff rotation - not based on what we've seen from him.

That said he does have potential but so do lots of players. This is a big off-season for him

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[Crymson]

On a good team he's not in a playoff rotation - not based on what we've seen from him.

At this point, no. He's got to be a deadeye shooter if he's going to be worth putting on the floor in the postseason when (hopefully) this team is a contender. And it's not just about him being worth the minutes, it's about him justifying being more worth them than someone else in a tight postseason rotation.

Thus far he hasn't impressed. He's clearly a high-IQ player on both ends, a hard worker, a high-character guy, etc., but he's got to provide a good deal more value on offense than he has.