Kudos to Bruce Brown

[Mr Peanut]

Damn KCP has 2 rings we don't even have a playoff win. He bet on himself and won.

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I think it took a while for him to financially "win" after betting on himself though.

The strong reports at the time were that we offered him a 5 year 80M contract that he turned down. 5 years passed and he made only 63M in that span. However he has since earned 14M this season and is due for 29M over the next two, so he did eventually make up the money and has two championships so overall you'd call it a win.

[Mr Peanut]

On a side note, I remember vividly when Dumars drafted KCP in 2013 and fans were absolutely livid that (a) Ben McLemore had fallen but SAC had snapped him up the pick before ours and (b) we didn't draft Trey Burke who was the Michigan hero prospect (he was taken the pick after ours). Ultimately KCP ended up having a far better career than both of them though.

[Kalamazoo317]

And yet KCP topped out at being the fifth best player on a championship team, so it's not like any of the three were really moving the needle for us big time.

[Snakebites]

On a side note, I remember vividly when Dumars drafted KCP in 2013 and fans were absolutely livid that (a) Ben McLemore had fallen but SAC had snapped him up the pick before ours and (b) we didn't draft Trey Burke who was the Michigan hero prospect (he was taken the pick after ours). Ultimately KCP ended up having a far better career than both of them though.

It’s funny, I was fine with the pick, but ended up really disliking KCP while he did end up having fans on the board.

It’s pretty clear he didn’t actually have the potential people thought he did. We were asking too much of him.

[DetroitSho]

Damn KCP has 2 rings we don't even have a playoff win. He bet on himself and won.

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I think it took a while for him to financially "win" after betting on himself though.

The strong reports at the time were that we offered him a 5 year 80M contract that he turned down. 5 years passed and he made only 63M in that span. However he has since earned 14M this season and is due for 29M over the next two, so he did eventually make up the money and has two championships so overall you'd call it a win.

This literally the opposite of making that money up. Unless you think he would have retired after his 5 year deal with us. He'd be at $94 million in the same 6 year time frame, not $63 million.

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[Invictus88]

Damn KCP has 2 rings we don't even have a playoff win. He bet on himself and won.

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I think it took a while for him to financially "win" after betting on himself though.

The strong reports at the time were that we offered him a 5 year 80M contract that he turned down. 5 years passed and he made only 63M in that span. However he has since earned 14M this season and is due for 29M over the next two, so he did eventually make up the money and has two championships so overall you'd call it a win.

This literally the opposite of making that money up. Unless you think he would have retired after his 5 year deal with us. He'd be at $94 million in the same 6 year time frame, not $63 million.

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Yeah. He never financially 'won' w/regard to that transaction. He listened to Rich Paul who told him to turn down the deal with the Pistons (Thank God for us he did) and got hung out to dry with the failed gamble that he was worth way more than that elsewhere.

Due to inflation and maturity / playing within his role he makes close to what he would have now. But that doesn't erase losing out on tens of millions from the Pistons and taking considerably less elsewhere during that timespan.

If anything the fact that even in his new contract that he is getting paid LESS per year than he would have made in the Pistons extension means that he is STILL hurt by the gamble. I think this is especially telling given how inflation has caused others salaries to rise considerably during that time.

[DetroitSho]

I think it took a while for him to financially "win" after betting on himself though.

The strong reports at the time were that we offered him a 5 year 80M contract that he turned down. 5 years passed and he made only 63M in that span. However he has since earned 14M this season and is due for 29M over the next two, so he did eventually make up the money and has two championships so overall you'd call it a win.

This literally the opposite of making that money up. Unless you think he would have retired after his 5 year deal with us. He'd be at $94 million in the same 6 year time frame, not $63 million.

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Yeah. He never financially 'won' w/regard to that transaction. He listened to Rich Paul who told him to turn down the deal with the Pistons (Thank God for us he did) and got hung out to dry with the failed gamble that he was worth way more than that elsewhere.

Due to inflation and maturity / playing within his role he makes close to what he would have now. But that doesn't erase losing out on tens of millions from the Pistons and taking considerably less elsewhere during that timespan.

If anything the fact that even in his new contract that he is getting paid LESS per year than he would have made in the Pistons extension means that he is STILL hurt by the gamble. I think this is especially telling given how inflation has caused others salaries to rise considerably during that time.

Completely agree

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[Mr Peanut]

Damn KCP has 2 rings we don't even have a playoff win. He bet on himself and won.

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I think it took a while for him to financially "win" after betting on himself though.

The strong reports at the time were that we offered him a 5 year 80M contract that he turned down. 5 years passed and he made only 63M in that span. However he has since earned 14M this season and is due for 29M over the next two, so he did eventually make up the money and has two championships so overall you'd call it a win.

This literally the opposite of making that money up. Unless you think he would have retired after his 5 year deal with us. He'd be at $94 million in the same 6 year time frame, not $63 million.

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He is going to cross that 80M number this upcoming season so he actually has finally made that money up, respecting the fact that it has taken him longer than if he initially just took our contract. There's also no guarantee he would've got the same annual value on his current contract after the 5y/80M deal; there's a good chance he would've spent most of that time languishing on a bad team and may not have had the same chance to gain the value/exposure that he had playing for a team like the Lakers.

For hypothetical discussion if his new contract after the 5y/80M deal was the same as his current one, the 6 year number at this point would actually be 94M vs 77M, which is a significant difference but when you factor him coming out with two championships it seems much more palatable. So I'll disregard your opposite comment as unneeded hyperbole.

[MortSahlfan]

He's a champ and has millions anyway.

[DetroitSho]

I think it took a while for him to financially "win" after betting on himself though.

The strong reports at the time were that we offered him a 5 year 80M contract that he turned down. 5 years passed and he made only 63M in that span. However he has since earned 14M this season and is due for 29M over the next two, so he did eventually make up the money and has two championships so overall you'd call it a win.

This literally the opposite of making that money up. Unless you think he would have retired after his 5 year deal with us. He'd be at $94 million in the same 6 year time frame, not $63 million.

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He is going to cross that 80M number this upcoming season so he actually has finally made that money up, respecting the fact that it has taken him longer than if he initially just took our contract. There's also no guarantee he would've got the same annual value on his current contract after the 5y/80M deal; there's a good chance he would've spent most of that time languishing on a bad team and may not have had the same chance to gain the value/exposure that he had playing for a team like the Lakers.

For hypothetical discussion if his new contract after the 5y/80M deal was the same as his current one, the 6 year number at this point would actually be 94M vs 77M, which is a significant difference but when you factor him coming out with two championships it seems much more palatable. So I'll disregard your opposite comment as unneeded hyperbole.

Unneeded hyperbole? No, what's unneeded is you trying to argue against simple 3rd grade math. How you think him finally ALMOST making it to a financial figure after 6 years that he was guaranteed to make in 5 years is making it up is beyond me. After next season he'll be at $91 million since leaving. Even if things went completely bad after his 5 year deal here, he would've only needed to get a 2 year/$11 million TOTAL contract to be at $91 million.

Yeah we don't know how things could have turned out for him contract wise but that goes both ways. You can't just act like being out in LA provided this crazy amount of exposure that helped his money. KCP won a championship but was also on some trash LA teams and got shipped to a trash Washington team. The "exposure" doesn't seem to have done anything for his nba earnings and yes, he's still behind on that money and unfortunately will never make it up.

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[Mr Peanut]

This literally the opposite of making that money up. Unless you think he would have retired after his 5 year deal with us. He'd be at $94 million in the same 6 year time frame, not $63 million.

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He is going to cross that 80M number this upcoming season so he actually has finally made that money up, respecting the fact that it has taken him longer than if he initially just took our contract. There's also no guarantee he would've got the same annual value on his current contract after the 5y/80M deal; there's a good chance he would've spent most of that time languishing on a bad team and may not have had the same chance to gain the value/exposure that he had playing for a team like the Lakers.

For hypothetical discussion if his new contract after the 5y/80M deal was the same as his current one, the 6 year number at this point would actually be 94M vs 77M, which is a significant difference but when you factor him coming out with two championships it seems much more palatable. So I'll disregard your opposite comment as unneeded hyperbole.

Unneeded hyperbole? No, what's unneeded is you trying to argue against simple 3rd grade math. How you think him finally ALMOST making it to a financial figure after 6 years that he was guaranteed to make in 5 years is making it up is beyond me. After next season he'll be at $91 million since leaving. Even if things went completely bad after his 5 year deal here, he would've only needed to get a 2 year/$11 million TOTAL contract to be at $91 million.

Yeah we don't know how things could have turned out for him contract wise but that goes both ways. You can't just act like being out in LA provided this crazy amount of exposure that helped his money. KCP won a championship but was also on some trash LA teams and got shipped to a trash Washington team. The "exposure" doesn't seem to have done anything for his nba earnings and yes, he's still behind on that money and unfortunately will never make it up.

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Not sure where the aggression is coming from, I'm technically not even disagreeing with you. I'm basically saying that he turned down 80M from us and this upcoming season he is finally going to cross that threshold to make 80M since he left Detroit (which is what I refer to as making up the 80M, not a misunderstanding of simple math). I'm not denying the fact that he is behind on potential career earnings and there's a reasonable chance he never makes that up (but as mentioned we don't know what the alternate reality is for how his career would have played out if he had stayed in Detroit).

The other significant point I was trying to make is that he got two championships out of his decision. When you see the amount of players who turn down bigger contracts to ring chase or take discounts to improve their team, I feel more likely than not that KCP is content with the choices he made. I think guys like Chris Paul or Charles Barkley would gladly trade in a decent chunk of their career earnings to get a couple of rings to their name.

[DetroitSho]

He is going to cross that 80M number this upcoming season so he actually has finally made that money up, respecting the fact that it has taken him longer than if he initially just took our contract. There's also no guarantee he would've got the same annual value on his current contract after the 5y/80M deal; there's a good chance he would've spent most of that time languishing on a bad team and may not have had the same chance to gain the value/exposure that he had playing for a team like the Lakers.

For hypothetical discussion if his new contract after the 5y/80M deal was the same as his current one, the 6 year number at this point would actually be 94M vs 77M, which is a significant difference but when you factor him coming out with two championships it seems much more palatable. So I'll disregard your opposite comment as unneeded hyperbole.

Unneeded hyperbole? No, what's unneeded is you trying to argue against simple 3rd grade math. How you think him finally ALMOST making it to a financial figure after 6 years that he was guaranteed to make in 5 years is making it up is beyond me. After next season he'll be at $91 million since leaving. Even if things went completely bad after his 5 year deal here, he would've only needed to get a 2 year/$11 million TOTAL contract to be at $91 million.

Yeah we don't know how things could have turned out for him contract wise but that goes both ways. You can't just act like being out in LA provided this crazy amount of exposure that helped his money. KCP won a championship but was also on some trash LA teams and got shipped to a trash Washington team. The "exposure" doesn't seem to have done anything for his nba earnings and yes, he's still behind on that money and unfortunately will never make it up.

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Not sure where the aggression is coming from, I'm technically not even disagreeing with you. I'm basically saying that he turned down 80M from us and this upcoming season he is finally going to cross that threshold to make 80M since he left Detroit (which is what I refer to as making up the 80M, not a misunderstanding of simple math). I'm not denying the fact that he is behind on potential career earnings and there's a reasonable chance he never makes that up (but as mentioned we don't know what the alternate reality is for how his career would have played out if he had stayed in Detroit).

The other significant point I was trying to make is that he got two championships out of his decision. When you see the amount of players who turn down bigger contracts to ring chase or take discounts to improve their team, I feel more likely than not that KCP is content with the choices he made. I think guys like Chris Paul or Charles Barkley would gladly trade in a decent chunk of their career earnings to get a couple of rings to their name.

The ONLY point I was making was on the earnings part. My point of contention was "making the money up", and that's all I was speaking to. He'll always be behind the amount of money he would have made taking the other path. I'm not speaking to championships or if his career ended up better and himself happier.

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[Kalamazoo317]

He's a champ and has millions anyway.

Yeah, not sure why people care that much about the exact number of millions he's made

[440BB]

I'm glad for Bruce and hope he sees a big payday. The trade worked out well for him as Nets injuries gave him a chance to grow and he did the work. It still hurts to have lost a developing guy with his grit and flexibility, traits of winning Pistons. The one that got away.

[DBC10]

He's a champ and has millions anyway.

Yeah, not sure why people care that much about the exact number of millions he's made

It's the offseason, so arguing about needless semantics and anti-circle jerking is par for the course now

[DetroitSho]

He's a champ and has millions anyway.

Yeah, not sure why people care that much about the exact number of millions he's made

It's the offseason, so arguing about needless semantics and anti-circle jerking is par for the course now

For that matter everything you or anybody else has discussed on this forum is pointless as nothing we talk about here moves the needle in reality. Weird flex there.

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[Kalamazoo317]

There's a big difference between caring about decisions made for the future of this franchise and about how much money an ex-Piston has made in their career. But you do you. I really need to stop viewing the posts of people I've already got blocked ... never worth it.

[DetroitSho]

There's a big difference between caring about decisions made for the future of this franchise and about how much money an ex-Piston has made in their career. But you do you. I really need to stop viewing the posts of people I've already got blocked ... never worth it.

It was a simple money and math correction. Do you, ain't nobody begging for your attention.

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[Kalamazoo317]

See, got an alert that I was quoted, but no idea what it says. Oh well

[DBC10]

Yeah, not sure why people care that much about the exact number of millions he's made

It's the offseason, so arguing about needless semantics and anti-circle jerking is par for the course now

For that matter everything you or anybody else has discussed on this forum is pointless as nothing we talk about here moves the needle in reality. Weird flex there.

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Not really, just needless semantics which some on here like to argue (That includes me) which again, they're free to do. Nowhere was there an implication that it was wrong whereas just an observation of the dull present of the offseason.