Better FA target?

[Notanoob]

Blowing money on 3 and D guys isn't going to make a difference until we have real star players. Don't bother with big overpays to drag players away from somewhere else.

[DetroitSho]

Grant Williams, and I honestly believe that.

I will add him to the original post.

I don’t get the Grant fixation.

The guy is not a starting level player.

He’s not a starter on a loaded team like the Celtics. But he’s a guy that can defend multiple positions, and well. Plus he’s a really good 3-pt shooter. Would be a good fit on both sides of the ball for what we need.

He's a spot up shooter- that's really all he brings. He's not a guy who can shoot off the dribble, play off of screens, or anything like that. You leave him open and he'll shoot. That's about it. Which is why advanced metrics paint him as a replacement level offensive player. It's not just that he's behind Brown/Tatum on the Celtics. I genuinely don't think he's a guy who should start for ANY halfway decent team. And yeah, we aren't that now- but that doesn't mean we need to be paying starters money for a guy who isn't a starter.

He's also a decent defender but not a stopper, which is why they pulled him out of the game during stretches against the Heat when Jimmy was lighting him up.

There were games where he wasn't even in Boston's rotation. Anyone who can straight up be out of a playoff rotation under any circumstances is not worth big bucks.

We never agree but LAWD keep talking your talk. This overeating of Grant Williams has gotten outta hand.

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[keepitrealhomes]

lol I think you guys are exaggerating the opposite direction. I’m not going back and forth with the same rhetoric, but the guy is a very useful 3&D player; not a star, not a bum. I’d rather him on a reasonable contract than cam/kuz on a ridiculously bloated contract. I didn’t think that would be such a point of contention.

[Canadafan]

lol I think you guys are exaggerating the opposite direction. I’m not going back and forth with the same rhetoric, but the guy is a very useful 3&D player; not a star, not a bum. I’d rather him on a reasonable contract than cam/kuz on a ridiculously bloated contract. I didn’t think that would be such a point of contention.

Agreed.
I'm actually hating the idea of spending 30mill or more on Cam or anyone for that matter.
I like how Weaver is giving us multiple swings every year in the draft to find ourselves a star.
Hopefully he gets us another lottery pick somehow this draft, maybe with that Dallas trade thats rumored, to take a few more swings.
Then fill in the blanks with a grant Williams or Bruce brown type with their non ridiculous salary

[Kalamazoo317]

Yeah, I don't mind if we have a rookie/Beefstew/Bojan competing for the starting forward positions next season and our free agency additions are mostly wing depth like Grant Williams.

[Piston Pete]

If we could S&T Bagley for Grant Williams, that’s something we should do ASAP.

[kpt]

It feels like we will grab another FRP while absorbing salary taking our FA $$$ down. Ala Dallas’ 10 and Thj

[NYPiston]

I don’t get the Grant fixation.

The guy is not a starting level player.

On a deep Celtics team but he might be one of those guys, like Cam Johnson for instance, who just needs more of an opportunity to shine as a starter.
With that said, he's currently a bench player that will be paid as a starter so it carries plenty of risk. Keep in mind that he's younger than most FAs (only 24) so there might be room for him to grow into an expanded role.

Also, Cam Johnson isn't happening guys so it's not even worth discussing tbh. The Nets will just match any offer and that'll be that.

[mattao313]

14mil/yr is top dollar for Grant Williams anything more is a bad contract

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[Invictus88]

I hope we draft a good wing player and basically kill off any discussion about getting any of these three.

Williams is overrated. Cam Johnson isn't going to happen. Kuzma is just a punk who plays losing baskeball.

Next.

[aad]

Cam Johnson or trade for someone

[theBigLip]

We could make an offer that the Nets would have problems matching. They might trade O’Neal and/or Finney-Smith for peanuts just so we don’t go after Cam.

[FloridaMan78]

Well there goes the Boston trade. Williams is probably available though. I’d go to 12 mil.

[fanforlife]

I like Cam Johnson and he fits well but it will cost a lot (too much?) to pry him away from the Nets. Williams is a role player. Kuzma is a real scorer that they currently lack. Each would contribute but none raise the needle a whole lot except perhaps Johnson who as I said will be very expensive. Surprised that no one has brought up Jeremi Grant. They could probably get him for around the same price as Johnson.

[vic]

Cam is unrealistic because he will be matched so I say bring back Bruce. He is Piston DNA. Let him be the championship vet for the young guys.

[Spider156]

I like Cam Johnson and he fits well but it will cost a lot (too much?) to pry him away from the Nets. Williams is a role player. Kuzma is a real scorer that they currently lack. Each would contribute but none raise the needle a whole lot except perhaps Johnson who as I said will be very expensive. Surprised that no one has brought up Jeremi Grant. They could probably get him for around the same price as Johnson.

Grant is 120. I think Johnson will be 100-110. I can see us offering 110m just to kick the Nets around a bit. He’s worth 25-27m imo. He’s better than a 20m player. That was 3 years ago when Grant left the Nuggets, now contracts a little bit fatter so due to inflation I think it makes sense.

The thing is if you’re Detroit you want Johnson’s Bird Rights. And if you’re Detroit, you don’t want to over offer. If you’re the Nets yo don’t want Detroit forcing your hand to match. So I think if we do get Johnson it’ll end up being a sign and trade. I can see us giving Bogan in the process or Burke. That’s fine because that leaves you 10-20m in cap space. If you can then dump Bagley and take on a 20m a year contract like John Collins that would be pretty good. Giving up the 31st pick that way wouldn’t be the worst if we’re dumping Bagley for Collins. Anything is possible.

[FloridaMan78]

Well there goes the Boston trade. Williams is probably available though. I’d go to 12 mil.

Well that fell apart, Bagley fall back plan?

[joeposh]

My lonely KP dream is temporarily back in play!

[theBigLip]

I like Cam Johnson and he fits well but it will cost a lot (too much?) to pry him away from the Nets. Williams is a role player. Kuzma is a real scorer that they currently lack. Each would contribute but none raise the needle a whole lot except perhaps Johnson who as I said will be very expensive. Surprised that no one has brought up Jeremi Grant. They could probably get him for around the same price as Johnson.

Grant is 120. I think Johnson will be 100-110. I can see us offering 110m just to kick the Nets around a bit. He’s worth 25-27m imo. He’s better than a 20m player. That was 3 years ago when Grant left the Nuggets, now contracts a little bit fatter so due to inflation I think it makes sense.

The thing is if you’re Detroit you want Johnson’s Bird Rights. And if you’re Detroit, you don’t want to over offer. If you’re the Nets yo don’t want Detroit forcing your hand to match. So I think if we do get Johnson it’ll end up being a sign and trade. I can see us giving Bogan in the process or Burke. That’s fine because that leaves you 10-20m in cap space. If you can then dump Bagley and take on a 20m a year contract like John Collins that would be pretty good. Giving up the 31st pick that way wouldn’t be the worst if we’re dumping Bagley for Collins. Anything is possible.

Teams always say they are going to match to scare off bidders. I do think a sign/trade is possible, especially if they know we’re going to offer $30M per. I know that sounds like too much but tv contract is going up big time, and $30M May not seem like much in a couple of years. And if Cam is our starting SF, doing 3&D, we filled our biggest hole.