Cam Johnson

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All the quotes from Weaver indicate limited amount of movement, or short term offers. This thread exists because the Piston faithful are hopeful for a significant move. I think you all should be prepared for disappointment.

And really, it makes sense. You have a new coach and really have no clear idea how the young core of Cade, Ivey, Ausar, and Duren will evolve or play together. Burks, Bojan, and Beef Stew seem fine as veteran fillers - plus one or two more - until you see where the team can go.

What do I expect? Something like Pistons quickly come to terms with Prince and Carter, slight overpays to keep them off their other teams, nothing too dramatic though.

[zeebneeb]

All the quotes from Weaver indicate limited amount of movement, or short term offers. This thread exists because the Piston faithful are hopeful for a significant move. I think you all should be prepared for disappointment.

And really, it makes sense. You have a new coach and really have no clear idea how the young core of Cade, Ivey, Ausar, and Duren will evolve or play together. Burks, Bojan, and Beef Stew seem fine as veteran fillers - plus one or two more - until you see where the team can go.

What do I expect? Something like Pistons quickly come to terms with Prince and Carter, slight overpays to keep them off their other teams, nothing too dramatic though.

I don't think Piston fans need to prepare for disappointment, its our natural state now.

What we need to prepare for, is a good event, because no one will know how to handle it.

[Piston Pete]

I agree. As much as we may want to make the big splash with Cam or Grant, I get the feeling we’ll end up splitting the cap space on 2 guys.

Prob some combination of:
Wood
Grant Williams
Prince
Carter
Kuzma
Eric Gordon
McDaniels
Bruce Brown
Other?

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All the quotes from Weaver indicate limited amount of movement, or short term offers. This thread exists because the Piston faithful are hopeful for a significant move. I think you all should be prepared for disappointment.

And really, it makes sense. You have a new coach and really have no clear idea how the young core of Cade, Ivey, Ausar, and Duren will evolve or play together. Burks, Bojan, and Beef Stew seem fine as veteran fillers - plus one or two more - until you see where the team can go.

What do I expect? Something like Pistons quickly come to terms with Prince and Carter, slight overpays to keep them off their other teams, nothing too dramatic though.

No, this thread exists because of this report and others like it:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272134/Pistons-Planning-Aggressive-Pursuit-Of-Cam-Johnson

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[Drwho17]

If we offer a front-loaded deal like this (as an example):

28, 27, 25, 24

That’s only 4 years, $104 million.

A) why would Cam take that over 4/100 from Nets? Especially if Nets offer him that 5th year?

B) And even if he likes our offer more, hard to see the Nets not matching it.

That's too much money for him, however if we were to do something like this, needs to be sign-n-trade, maybe they would take Bogdonovich as a consolation prize and Pistons offset the first couple of years.

[DetroitSho]

I tried to find how many times a team hasn't matched restricted free agent, to no avail. One thing I did find out, was that teams now only have 24 hours to match the offer, so if the Pistons make an offer to Cam, as fans, we'll know pretty damn quickly whats going to happen, and doesn't seem to tie up the money for a long time.

https://hoopswire.com/nba-teams-now-have-just-24-hours-to-match-offers-to-restricted-free-agents/

The other good thing is that free agency starts at 6PM June 30th instead of 12:01AM on July 1st. This is a million times better for that exciting first few hours of free agent action. But the 24 hour period to match perhaps makes it even more likely we're making a big offer to Cam because that's not nearly as punishing an amount of time if the other team matches last minute.

You guys are missing something. Here's the thing. While free agency starts tomorrow, it's technically just a negotiating period until July 6. Contracts can not be signed until July 6. Which means is that even if Cam agrees to sign an offer sheet with us tomorrow, the Nets will have until July 7 to decide whether to match.

That's the general rub with pursuing a RFA as your primary target. By the time you find out whether you get him, you may have missed out on some UFA's.
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Yeah I'm not exactly sure who we should be fearful of missing out on.

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The other good thing is that free agency starts at 6PM June 30th instead of 12:01AM on July 1st. This is a million times better for that exciting first few hours of free agent action. But the 24 hour period to match perhaps makes it even more likely we're making a big offer to Cam because that's not nearly as punishing an amount of time if the other team matches last minute.

You guys are missing something. Here's the thing. While free agency starts tomorrow, it's technically just a negotiating period until July 6. Contracts can not be signed until July 6. Which means is that even if Cam agrees to sign an offer sheet with us tomorrow, the Nets will have until July 7 to decide whether to match.

That's the general rub with pursuing a RFA as your primary target. By the time you find out whether you get him, you may have missed out on some UFA's.
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Yeah I'm not exactly sure who we should be fearful of missing out on.

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Yep, which is why I said generally. I agree there's not a lot to worry about missing out on in this case.

[DetroitSho]

You guys are missing something. Here's the thing. While free agency starts tomorrow, it's technically just a negotiating period until July 6. Contracts can not be signed until July 6. Which means is that even if Cam agrees to sign an offer sheet with us tomorrow, the Nets will have until July 7 to decide whether to match.

That's the general rub with pursuing a RFA as your primary target. By the time you find out whether you get him, you may have missed out on some UFA's.
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Yeah I'm not exactly sure who we should be fearful of missing out on.

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Yep, which is why I said generally. I agree there's not a lot to worry about missing out on in this case.

Exactly

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[Neptune]

Troy, please don't offer Cam a 100 mil contract! Please!!!!!

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All the quotes from Weaver indicate limited amount of movement, or short term offers. This thread exists because the Piston faithful are hopeful for a significant move. I think you all should be prepared for disappointment.

And really, it makes sense. You have a new coach and really have no clear idea how the young core of Cade, Ivey, Ausar, and Duren will evolve or play together. Burks, Bojan, and Beef Stew seem fine as veteran fillers - plus one or two more - until you see where the team can go.

What do I expect? Something like Pistons quickly come to terms with Prince and Carter, slight overpays to keep them off their other teams, nothing too dramatic though.

No, this thread exists because of this report and others like it:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272134/Pistons-Planning-Aggressive-Pursuit-Of-Cam-Johnson

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I get that, but it doesn't measure up to what words he's used when talking about free agency which I think is more telling than the rumor mil.

“How we fill out the rest of it in free agency, whatnot, is not pressing right now. Because I think you can add and subtract from some of these young guys growing into becoming who they are. So we’re going to be careful with that before we bring in guys that can kind of deter us from really finding out who these guys are.”

[theBigLip]

All the quotes from Weaver indicate limited amount of movement, or short term offers. This thread exists because the Piston faithful are hopeful for a significant move. I think you all should be prepared for disappointment.

And really, it makes sense. You have a new coach and really have no clear idea how the young core of Cade, Ivey, Ausar, and Duren will evolve or play together. Burks, Bojan, and Beef Stew seem fine as veteran fillers - plus one or two more - until you see where the team can go.

What do I expect? Something like Pistons quickly come to terms with Prince and Carter, slight overpays to keep them off their other teams, nothing too dramatic though.

No, this thread exists because of this report and others like it:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272134/Pistons-Planning-Aggressive-Pursuit-Of-Cam-Johnson

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I get that, but it doesn't measure up to what words he's used when talking about free agency which I think is more telling than the rumor mil.

“How we fill out the rest of it in free agency, whatnot, is not pressing right now. Because I think you can add and subtract from some of these young guys growing into becoming who they are. So we’re going to be careful with that before we bring in guys that can kind of deter us from really finding out who these guys are.”

My assumption is that everything that comes out of Weaver’s mouth (and other GMs as well) is all vague BS. As it should be. Weaver is playing poker w players, agents, other GMs. Who knows what is really going on. But at the end of this, I hope we improve our wings and shooting considerably.

[aad]

We just need a shooting PF and veteran pg and we good

I really hope weaver go get Hunter from Atlanta if we miss out on Cam and Grant

[mike06181]

Cam can just take one offer back home. Sign and trade offers would be possible for other teams who cant offer what the 3-4 teams can offer. Anyone think that he might look to do one of those with another team instead of the pistons? Who would that team possibly be?

[Mr Peanut]

We just need a shooting PF and veteran pg and we good

I really hope weaver go get Hunter from Atlanta if we miss out on Cam and Grant

I'm on board with Hunter too. He's only 25 and still has some room to develop as he enters his prime. His contract is less than what both Grant and Cam will get. I think Atlanta will want some value back though rather than a pure salary dump.

[bstein14]

Cam's $108 isn't fully guaranteed he's got a lot of incentives in there. Only 4 years $90 million in guaranteed. His cap hits are like $25.7, $23.6, $21.6, $23.6 so they have it decline for a few years before a jump up. I'm not sure what exactly the incentives are but that's a much cheaper overall deal for Cam than many here thought.

2023-24
Base: $24.5M
Likely bonuses: $1.2M
Unlikely bonuses: $3.7M
Cap Hit: $25.7M

2024-25
Base: $22.5M
Likely bonuses: $1.1M
Unlikely bonuses: $3.4M
Cap Hit: $23.6M

2025-26
Base: $20.5M
Likely bonuses: $1M
Unlikely bonuses: $3.1M
Cap Hit: $21.6M

2026-27
Base: $22.5M
Likely bonuses: $1.1M
Unlikely bonuses: $3.4M
Cap Hit: $23.6M

[Pharaoh]

What are the "unlikely" bonuses?

From memory the league counts "likely" bonuses as things you or team just accomplished and unlikely ones for Cam could be team based or individual based or a combination of both

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[bstein14]

What are the "unlikely" bonuses?

From memory the league counts "likely" bonuses as things you or team just accomplished and unlikely ones for Cam could be team based or individual based or a combination of both

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"Likely Bonus" could be something like play 65+ games, team makes the playoffs, etc.

"Unlikely Bonus" could be something like all-defensive team, all-star, or team makes ECF or Finals.

Originally it was reported that they would offer 4 years $88 million and in the end its only 4 years $90 million guaranteed. It'll be interesting to see what exactly the incentives are once that info comes out.