Is this a play in team?

[Pandev]

Agree, young NBA teams don't typically win many games.

We need to see Cade average 23 - 25+ points a night for someone to really move the needle above 30 wins.

Heck Stan van Gundy somehow go the Josh Smith, Andre, Moose, KCP roster to 32 wins in his first year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2015.html

He then somehow turned that hot garbage roster into Reggie, Tobias, KCP, Bullock, Morris and Andre as key players which were good for 44 wins... and for all his draft misses and FA overpays he won basically every single trade over an 18 mth period.

Blake trade would have been a win if he didn't break down as he was All NBA 3rd team player under Casey's first year.

If he hit on Mitchell or a Booker in the draft we would have had a ECF contender.

[reanimator]

I have very little faith in Weaver as a GM. I think he is bad at the draft and makes bonehead FA/trades. I think this is a team that will contend for a play in spot but also very likely lottery bound in a weak draft.

[Pandev]

Weaver has kept himself in a job by telling Gores (and diehard fans) to be patient and kicking the can down the road 'wait until next year'... 'we have cap space'.

Hes in no hurry to win and this was his 4th draft lottery. Be patient with our RESTORING everyone... so Weaver stays in a J.O.B.

[Pharaoh]

Think it's much more of a Hinkie situation than anyone initially believed tbh

We did basically start with nothing so IF we were a expansion team we'd all understand it takes ages to build something.

Whatever happened prior to Weaver and this FO is irrelevant - us fans hate it but that's life.

There are good signs for the future though:

Gores spent big for Monty - shows he's willing to pay up when it counts. You'd also imagine Silas doesn't come cheap either so that's another sign.

The kicking the can down the road has kind of been explained already - we don't really know what we have!

Cade + Ivey + Duren = what exactly? Haven't seen it.

We all knew we needed to add shooting and improve on D - I believe we did.

Harris is a elite shooter & Morris is quality that I think most have never seen. Ausar looks like a capable glue guy at worst.

IF we added a decent 4 man I'd have much more optimism for the future cause that would put Stewart into the back up 4/5 role he needs to be in but as constructed I don't think it's all that bad:

Cade - Morris = Hayes the 3rd string & never starts next season regardless

Ivey - Burks - Sasser

Bojan - Ausar - Livers - the strongest wing rotation we've had in a very long time

Stewart - Bagley = issues obviously

Duren - Wiseman = IF Wiseman can get it then maybe I'll change my mind.

You just can't roll out kids and expect wins in the NBA - it doesn't happen, never has, never will.

I've preached patience since Weaver arrived - still do.

Rome wasn't built in a single day - nothing worth having comes easy. Have faith, put the work in.

To their credit Cade, Ivey & Ausar all have talked the talk. Ok cool. Show us! This season. I don't need 40 wins. Yet. Just hoop

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[Pandev]

@Pharaoh - if Weavers roster doesn't win 30 games this season and heads to the top 5 of the lottery again for a 5th time, what happens?

Stay patient, Troy Weaver is RESTORING the Pistons

Sounds like Make America Great Again.

Wait until next year, we have cap space?

At some stage, you gotta hold the front office accountable. Gores gave Van Gundy 4 years and fired him even though he built a young roster that won 44 games and reached the playoffs in a short amount of time.

How long is Weaver going to get... 6-7 years??

[Canadafan]

Think it's much more of a Hinkie situation than anyone initially believed tbh

We did basically start with nothing so IF we were a expansion team we'd all understand it takes ages to build something.

Whatever happened prior to Weaver and this FO is irrelevant - us fans hate it but that's life.

There are good signs for the future though:

Gores spent big for Monty - shows he's willing to pay up when it counts. You'd also imagine Silas doesn't come cheap either so that's another sign.

The kicking the can down the road has kind of been explained already - we don't really know what we have!

Cade + Ivey + Duren = what exactly? Haven't seen it.

We all knew we needed to add shooting and improve on D - I believe we did.

Harris is a elite shooter & Morris is quality that I think most have never seen. Ausar looks like a capable glue guy at worst.

IF we added a decent 4 man I'd have much more optimism for the future cause that would put Stewart into the back up 4/5 role he needs to be in but as constructed I don't think it's all that bad:

Cade - Morris = Hayes the 3rd string & never starts next season regardless

Ivey - Burks - Sasser

Bojan - Ausar - Livers - the strongest wing rotation we've had in a very long time

Stewart - Bagley = issues obviously

Duren - Wiseman = IF Wiseman can get it then maybe I'll change my mind.

You just can't roll out kids and expect wins in the NBA - it doesn't happen, never has, never will.

I've preached patience since Weaver arrived - still do.

Rome wasn't built in a single day - nothing worth having comes easy. Have faith, put the work in.

To their credit Cade, Ivey & Ausar all have talked the talk. Ok cool. Show us! This season. I don't need 40 wins. Yet. Just hoop

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Make Bagley your 5th big. Slide Bojan over to PF with Stewart as backup. Insert Joe Harris at SF with Ausar as backup.

[theBigLip]

Think it's much more of a Hinkie situation than anyone initially believed tbh

We did basically start with nothing so IF we were a expansion team we'd all understand it takes ages to build something.

Whatever happened prior to Weaver and this FO is irrelevant - us fans hate it but that's life.

There are good signs for the future though:

Gores spent big for Monty - shows he's willing to pay up when it counts. You'd also imagine Silas doesn't come cheap either so that's another sign.

The kicking the can down the road has kind of been explained already - we don't really know what we have!

Cade + Ivey + Duren = what exactly? Haven't seen it.

We all knew we needed to add shooting and improve on D - I believe we did.

Harris is a elite shooter & Morris is quality that I think most have never seen. Ausar looks like a capable glue guy at worst.

IF we added a decent 4 man I'd have much more optimism for the future cause that would put Stewart into the back up 4/5 role he needs to be in but as constructed I don't think it's all that bad:

Cade - Morris = Hayes the 3rd string & never starts next season regardless

Ivey - Burks - Sasser

Bojan - Ausar - Livers - the strongest wing rotation we've had in a very long time

Stewart - Bagley = issues obviously

Duren - Wiseman = IF Wiseman can get it then maybe I'll change my mind.

You just can't roll out kids and expect wins in the NBA - it doesn't happen, never has, never will.

I've preached patience since Weaver arrived - still do.

Rome wasn't built in a single day - nothing worth having comes easy. Have faith, put the work in.

To their credit Cade, Ivey & Ausar all have talked the talk. Ok cool. Show us! This season. I don't need 40 wins. Yet. Just hoop

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Good post. A little patience is a good thing.

Weaver inherited a crappy roster w bad contracts. We now have a good young core and only a couple of slight overpays in terms of salary.

Reasonable expectations should be something like:
23-24: 30+ wins, one more lottery trip
Off-season: finally use cap space and overspend on a star
24-25: 40+ wins and playoffs/playin

[zeebneeb]

Think it's much more of a Hinkie situation than anyone initially believed tbh

We did basically start with nothing so IF we were a expansion team we'd all understand it takes ages to build something.

Whatever happened prior to Weaver and this FO is irrelevant - us fans hate it but that's life.

There are good signs for the future though:

Gores spent big for Monty - shows he's willing to pay up when it counts. You'd also imagine Silas doesn't come cheap either so that's another sign.

The kicking the can down the road has kind of been explained already - we don't really know what we have!

Cade + Ivey + Duren = what exactly? Haven't seen it.

We all knew we needed to add shooting and improve on D - I believe we did.

Harris is a elite shooter & Morris is quality that I think most have never seen. Ausar looks like a capable glue guy at worst.

IF we added a decent 4 man I'd have much more optimism for the future cause that would put Stewart into the back up 4/5 role he needs to be in but as constructed I don't think it's all that bad:

Cade - Morris = Hayes the 3rd string & never starts next season regardless

Ivey - Burks - Sasser

Bojan - Ausar - Livers - the strongest wing rotation we've had in a very long time

Stewart - Bagley = issues obviously

Duren - Wiseman = IF Wiseman can get it then maybe I'll change my mind.

You just can't roll out kids and expect wins in the NBA - it doesn't happen, never has, never will.

I've preached patience since Weaver arrived - still do.

Rome wasn't built in a single day - nothing worth having comes easy. Have faith, put the work in.

To their credit Cade, Ivey & Ausar all have talked the talk. Ok cool. Show us! This season. I don't need 40 wins. Yet. Just hoop

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Good post. A little patience is a good thing.

Weaver inherited a crappy roster w bad contracts. We now have a good young core and only a couple of slight overpays in terms of salary.

Reasonable expectations should be something like:
23-24: 30+ wins, one more lottery trip
Off-season: finally use cap space and overspend on a star
24-25: 40+ wins and playoffs/playin

I agree, the post is good, but it comes with expectations.

The Pistons this year need to show dramatic improvement. Does that mean a huge upswing in win totals? Not necessarily, but the team needs to be competitive, night in, and night out. I'll be happy with 28 wins, if the team isn't dead last in almost every category except for bench scoring, again.

If every night, I can honestly sit down with my dinner, and know the Pistons have a shot, ill be happy as it means improvements across the board are taking place.

Ill also refrain from losing my mind during the first 20 games,* as it will take some time for the players to get acclimated to Montys system, and new players.

*if the team starts 3-17 again, all bets are off. 7-13 is about my minimum.

This season, regardless of what any of us thinks, is a season of expectations. Gores wouldn't have gone out and paid the biggest contract ever to a coach, to have another shot at the first pick again. He could have just as easily, let Casey clown show it up again.

I have very little hope right now that the team is actually headed in tje right direction. It sure looks like it is, but we've all seen this show before.

Put up, or shut up time is here.

[reanimator]

Need more time = not nailing the draft repeatedly.