Jerami Grant back?

[mattao313]

We need quality role players not wannabe stars easy pass.

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[DBC10]

No sequels for the Grant train. Just let it die already

[bstein14]

Portland lineup looks really solid actually. Young but solid. Ayton and Williams are both at least average starting bigs. Williams is great defensively. Not sure how they will play those two but should be 48 minutes of solid center play and perhaps a little time playing together as well.

Sharpe had some great moments last year, Simons is poor on defense but can efficiently score the ball. Overall they are in good shape.

Loaded up on future picks between the two deals so once their team is ready to add another player they can use those picks in a package to get another good starter if they want.

[tmorgan]

Portland lineup looks really solid actually. Young but solid. Ayton and Williams are both at least average starting bigs. Williams is great defensively. Not sure how they will play those two but should be 48 minutes of solid center play and perhaps a little time playing together as well.

Sharpe had some great moments last year, Simons is poor on defense but can efficiently score the ball. Overall they are in good shape.

Loaded up on future picks between the two deals so once their team is ready to add another player they can use those picks in a package to get another good starter if they want.

I think they’re better off shopping Williams and Brogdon this year (injury prone guys, but quality players to playoff teams — and RW3 is on a good contract) and tanking for at least one season. They apparently owe their first, lotto protected over the next two years, and they need time for Scoot and Sharpe to learn the league with a long leash.

Love what they did, though. Excellent trades.

[Mr Peanut]

For those not keen on Grant, what are the realistic alternatives for using our cap space? Before it gets used up by Cade/Ivey/Duren extensions.

[tmorgan]

For those not keen on Grant, what are the realistic alternatives for using our cap space? Before it gets used up by Cade/Ivey/Duren extensions.

Really hard to say, but the general feeling is that the new, harsher lux tax penalties (second apron, that stuff) are going to lead to a lot more player movement than usual. Teams with cap should get offers to “save” teams that don’t. We just need to manage it better than getting seconds for Joe Harris.

[Mr Peanut]

For those not keen on Grant, what are the realistic alternatives for using our cap space? Before it gets used up by Cade/Ivey/Duren extensions.

Really hard to say, but the general feeling is that the new, harsher lux tax penalties (second apron, that stuff) are going to lead to a lot more player movement than usual. Teams with cap should get offers to “save” teams that don’t. We just need to manage it better than getting seconds for Joe Harris.

Fair. I think we've struggled to get assets using our cap space in trades during the Weaver era, unless you count taking on Kemba to get the first rounder to pick Duren (but we also traded the 2025 Bucks 1st).

I guess I'm doubtful that we find a better quality player than Grant. And using it on lesser players on 10-15M contracts won't move the needle that much.

[Kalamazoo317]

Some of us never wanted to get rid of Grant. He's a solid player and I thought the fit with Cade was decent. But there isn't a trade to be had with Portland that makes sense for both sides, IMO.

[Invictus88]

I can't wait for the pre-season to start. Folks are bored and grasping at straws here for something to think about.

Watching the Heat fans in shambles after the Dame and Holiday trades has been epic though.

[DetroitDon15]

Some of us never wanted to get rid of Grant. He's a solid player and I thought the fit with Cade was decent. But there isn't a trade to be had with Portland that makes sense for both sides, IMO.

I agree that I like the fit and understand why they moved him. I feel that any deal with Bagley going out would be perfect. If we could move Bagley, Wiseman, and Hayes for him, I would be happy. I get Grant at 30 is hard to take but I offset that with the 12 from a guy Bagley) who should ride the pine and play zero minutes. His salary is a sunk cost which could offset the larger Grant deal. Additionally, I do see Wiseman or Hayes having the ability to bring a first back so younger rotational players with some upside (and high draft equity) might appeal Portland. I also don't see Grant happy playing behind Ayton/Williams. I got see the line-up below taking the first steps toward being a playoff team.

G Cunningham/Morris
G Ivey/Burks
F BB/Thompson
F Grant/Thompson
C Duren/Stewart

[tmorgan]

Why would Portland trade a good player for three turds? I mean, you’re getting off a lot of salary after this year (assuming you let all three walk — oops, forgot Bags has another year, even worse), but that’s it.

Given what those three are likely to contribute, that would be essentially trading Grant for less than nothing (into cap space, for no return). Grant’s value is lower than it was at his current salary, but it’s not zero or negative. He’s a good player.

And Wiseman or Hayes worth a first? You’re living in dream land.

[whitehops]

i think they'd rather trade brogdon than grant. grant is their only true 4 other than rookie kris murray, meanwhile they have a stacked guard rotation with scoot, simons and sharpe. they have a pretty big hole at the 3 as well (only thybulle) so if anything trading brogdon for a 3/4 wing would balance the roster the best. if they can do that then they have scoot, simons, sharpe, grant, rob williams and ayton all signed for the next 3 seasons, plus whatever wing they acquire. that's a great chance to be competitive while giving the young guys minutes and develop as a team.

i could see them wanting bojan but we're in a similar situation as them with a good guard rotation and little 3/4 depth.

[DET_Athletics]

I think the fit would be better for Siakam, I think the trade is going to be Burke's, Wiseman and Harris with some combination of first round picks if this team plays well and the raptors get off to a slow start.

Cade / Morris
Ivey / Hayes
Thompson / Bojan
Siakam / Stewart
Duren / Bagley

Looks to be a good mix of guys.

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[bstein14]

I think the fit would be better for Siakam, I think the trade is going to be Burke's, Wiseman and Harris with some combination of first round picks if this team plays well and the raptors get off to a slow start.

Cade / Morris
Ivey / Hayes
Thompson / Bojan
Siakam / Stewart
Duren / Bagley

Looks to be a good mix of guys.

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Siakam is an unrestricted FA in 9 months if we want him we should simply hold onto our expirings and offer him a MAX deal.... especially if Toronto doesn't offer up a max deal. Being a 7 year vet he'd get 30% starting out of a $145 million cap so you can expect something like $43, $46, $49, $52 million over four years on a MAX deal for Siakam from any team besides Toronto. Four years $190 million.