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[Snakebites]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

There’s an argument to be made that it hampered our trade options.

Of course there’s also an argument to be made that this was a good thing too.

[theBigLip]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

There’s an argument to be made that it hampered our trade options.

Of course there’s also an argument to be made that this was a good thing too.

I think it was good that we haven’t been able to trade our picks these past few years. But now that we have a young core, maybe we can use the trading option wisely and get a key piece.

[vege]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

We also gave up 12.5 million in raw cap space in that deal.

[Mr Peanut]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

People have a bit of revisionist history regarding the full terms of the trade, but the initial trade prior to the draft that year was us getting the 16th pick in the 2020 draft for our future first and taking on Ariza's expiring salary. Christian Wood only became a part of the deal later in free agency after he had decided to sign with the Rockets. He was then added to the trade retroactively, and by allowing the Rockets to do that we were also able to increase the protections on our outgoing pick.

This article explains it a bit more: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/rockets-pistons-complete-christian-wood-sign-and-trade.html

[7r5ur]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

We also gave up 12.5 million in raw cap space in that deal.

That's pretty negative spin on what was used to acquire Delon Wright, who was a nice piece before Weaver flipped him for two 2nd rounders.

[vege]

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

We also gave up 12.5 million in raw cap space in that deal.

That's pretty negative spin on what was used to acquire Delon Wright, who was a nice piece before Weaver flipped him for two 2nd rounders.

It's not negative, it's a fact. We could've gotten assets if we traded raw cap space for Delon Wright, instead of Trevor Ariza's corpse.

[DetroitSho]

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

We also gave up 12.5 million in raw cap space in that deal.

That's pretty negative spin on what was used to acquire Delon Wright, who was a nice piece before Weaver flipped him for two 2nd rounders.

You mean, that's a pretty "vege-ish" spin. Negative is just par for the course.

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[7r5ur]

We also gave up 12.5 million in raw cap space in that deal.

That's pretty negative spin on what was used to acquire Delon Wright, who was a nice piece before Weaver flipped him for two 2nd rounders.

It's not negative, it's a fact. We could've gotten assets if we traded raw cap space for Delon Wright, instead of Trevor Ariza's corpse.

Delon had positive value, as proven by the fact that Weaver flipped him for TWO picks like 40 games later. You're not living in reality on this. Just blinded by your disdain for Weaver.

[DetroitSho]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

People have a bit of revisionist history regarding the full terms of the trade, but the initial trade prior to the draft that year was us getting the 16th pick in the 2020 draft for our future first and taking on Ariza's expiring salary. Christian Wood only became a part of the deal later in free agency after he had decided to sign with the Rockets. He was then added to the trade retroactively, and by allowing the Rockets to do that we were also able to increase the protections on our outgoing pick.

This article explains it a bit more: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/rockets-pistons-complete-christian-wood-sign-and-trade.html

There's literally no use for facts when narratives is the intent.

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[vege]

That's pretty negative spin on what was used to acquire Delon Wright, who was a nice piece before Weaver flipped him for two 2nd rounders.

It's not negative, it's a fact. We could've gotten assets if we traded raw cap space for Delon Wright, instead of Trevor Ariza's corpse.

Delon had positive value, as proven by the fact that Weaver flipped him for TWO picks like 40 games later. You're not living in reality on this. Just blinded by your disdain for Weaver.

So you're trying to say that Trevor Ariza, who was 100% useless as a player had value? And I am the one who's blinded? You're smarter than that. If you want to continue to disagree with everything I post, you can do better.

[7r5ur]

It's not negative, it's a fact. We could've gotten assets if we traded raw cap space for Delon Wright, instead of Trevor Ariza's corpse.

Delon had positive value, as proven by the fact that Weaver flipped him for TWO picks like 40 games later. You're not living in reality on this. Just blinded by your disdain for Weaver.

So you're trying to say that Trevor Ariza, who was 100% useless as a player had value? And I am the one who's blinded? You're smarter than that. If you want to continue to disagree with everything I post, you can do better.

It's irrelevant what you think of Ariza if you've already got a deal lined up to flip him for a good player straight-up. And maybe you don't recall, but he was a starter for Miami playing big minutes (including in the playoffs) that year, so I don't know about "100% useless" or whatever. Spoelstra disagreed with you, apparently.

Turning 12M in cap into half a season of a good player and then flipping them for 2 picks is a good deal. Pretty simple. Try to look past your Weaver rage lol

[Snakebites]

It’s paradoxical.

While we’d love to not lose a first rounder not doing so would mean a total failure of a rebuild.

i think it was still very much the right thing to do, the 16th pick of the 2020 draft has way more value than a draft pick in the same range 4-6 years down the road. we also gave up christian wood in a S&T in that deal. both wood and the pick we gave up have bounced around the league because they have very little value, while we've been able to develop stewart and make him a part of the core going forward.

we've had so many draft picks in recent drafts that it'll be weird to not have a first rounder one year but realistically we already used it in 2020. i know that doesn't have much to do with the state of our rebuild but i think it was a great move at the start of it.

People have a bit of revisionist history regarding the full terms of the trade, but the initial trade prior to the draft that year was us getting the 16th pick in the 2020 draft for our future first and taking on Ariza's expiring salary. Christian Wood only became a part of the deal later in free agency after he had decided to sign with the Rockets. He was then added to the trade retroactively, and by allowing the Rockets to do that we were also able to increase the protections on our outgoing pick.

This article explains it a bit more: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/rockets-pistons-complete-christian-wood-sign-and-trade.html

I’ve been saying this for years.

And the revisionist history on this trade weirdly started almost immediately- right when Wood ended up in Houston.

Bizarre given Wood frankly hasn’t turned out to be the dynamite asset some thought he was at the time. Seems like Weaver was on point about him.

Irrelevant though. The trade was Stewart and Ariza for the protected pick- we took on Ariza to swap a future pick for a present one.

[bstein14]

The fact that we absorbed Ariza's contract and could still end up giving them a better pick makes me feel like Weaver didn't really do the best on that trade. If anything the pick should have been lottery protected for 4-5 years and then if we're still a lottery team it should have converted into two 2nds. Even there being a slight chance we could end up giving up pick #10, #11, #12, etc in 2027 seems bad for us.

[ComboGuardCity]

The fact that we absorbed Ariza's contract and could still end up giving them a better pick makes me feel like Weaver didn't really do the best on that trade. If anything the pick should have been lottery protected for 4-5 years and then if we're still a lottery team it should have converted into two 2nds. Even there being a slight chance we could end up giving up pick #10, #11, #12, etc in 2027 seems bad for us.

Meh it can only be slightly better. It’s a lottery pick and just like the real lottery, taking the money today makes more sense than taking the same money years later.

[Snakebites]

The fact that we absorbed Ariza's contract and could still end up giving them a better pick makes me feel like Weaver didn't really do the best on that trade. If anything the pick should have been lottery protected for 4-5 years and then if we're still a lottery team it should have converted into two 2nds. Even there being a slight chance we could end up giving up pick #10, #11, #12, etc in 2027 seems bad for us.

If we end up giving up a pick that good the issue isn’t the Stewart trade- it’s everything else that lead to our failure to build a better team that could give up a lower pick.

Feels like this type of analysis misses the big picture.

[vege]

Bizarre given Wood frankly hasn’t turned out to be the dynamite asset some thought he was at the time. Seems like Weaver was on point about him.

He was traded for a 1st round pick.