Game 8: Warriors (5-2) @ Pistons (2-5) Nov. 6 7:00 PM EST

[vege]

Didn't have any real periods of ineptitude tonight, which made this one far less frustrating to watch.

Not sure when our next win will come though.

7 rotation players were out.

I'm going to make a prediction here;

When the team gets healthy, they are going to go on a pretty decent run, and kind of surprise people.

You can't be a team, with so many rotation pieces out, and expect to win. Its ridiculous at this point.

What gives you the confidence that the team will ever be at full strength for an extended period of time?

Maybe the roster is just constructed of non-Ironman players.

We traded our Ironman for James Wiseman

[GreekAlex]

7 rotation players were out.

I'm going to make a prediction here;

When the team gets healthy, they are going to go on a pretty decent run, and kind of surprise people.

You can't be a team, with so many rotation pieces out, and expect to win. Its ridiculous at this point.

What gives you the confidence that the team will ever be at full strength for an extended period of time?

Maybe the roster is just constructed of non-Ironman players.

We traded our Ironman for James Wiseman

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

[mattao313]

What gives you the confidence that the team will ever be at full strength for an extended period of time?

Maybe the roster is just constructed of non-Ironman players.

We traded our Ironman for James Wiseman

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

I hated how they let him play he should of been just a catch and shoot player here but trading him for Wiseman was a huge L considering we already had Duren playing well and both Stewart and Bagley. Terrible trade.

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[zeebneeb]

Didn't have any real periods of ineptitude tonight, which made this one far less frustrating to watch.

Not sure when our next win will come though.

7 rotation players were out.

I'm going to make a prediction here;

When the team gets healthy, they are going to go on a pretty decent run, and kind of surprise people.

You can't be a team, with so many rotation pieces out, and expect to win. Its ridiculous at this point.

What gives you the confidence that the team will ever be at full strength for an extended period of time?

Maybe the roster is just constructed of non-Ironman players.

Who said I have confidence?

Livers aka Mr. Glass is on the roster, so I have zero confidence, but, there is hope.

[GreekAlex]

We traded our Ironman for James Wiseman

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

I hated how they let him play he should of been just a catch and shoot player here but trading him for Wiseman was a huge L considering we already had Duren playing well and both Stewart and Bagley. Terrible trade.

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If the rumors have any truth to it, it was a bad trade for different reasons.

If Bey wanted a crazy contract extension, it was probably best to move on, unfortunately Wiseman wasn’t the direction to move in.

[vege]

What gives you the confidence that the team will ever be at full strength for an extended period of time?

Maybe the roster is just constructed of non-Ironman players.

We traded our Ironman for James Wiseman

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

Bey was good when we had Cade/Bey/Grant playing together and all scoring efficient 20 ppg. Despite of Bey issues he would be 100x more usefull than Wiseman. We have 2 Forwards in our roster and one is almost always injured, the other is 34 yo. We need Forwards, not only guards and centers.

We've been playing Cade a lot at SF and I am not a fan of it. Bey would be very useful for us.

[mattao313]

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

I hated how they let him play he should of been just a catch and shoot player here but trading him for Wiseman was a huge L considering we already had Duren playing well and both Stewart and Bagley. Terrible trade.

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If the rumors have any truth to it, it was a bad trade for different reasons.

If Bey wanted a crazy contract extension, it was probably best to move on, unfortunately Wiseman wasn’t the direction to move in.

Meh just because he wanted a crazy contract doesn't mean he'd get one. Looking at all the recent signing he would've gotten a Stewart contract or worse.

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[GreekAlex]

I hated how they let him play he should of been just a catch and shoot player here but trading him for Wiseman was a huge L considering we already had Duren playing well and both Stewart and Bagley. Terrible trade.

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If the rumors have any truth to it, it was a bad trade for different reasons.

If Bey wanted a crazy contract extension, it was probably best to move on, unfortunately Wiseman wasn’t the direction to move in.

Meh just because he wanted a crazy contract doesn't mean he'd get one. Looking at all the recent signing he would've gotten a Stewart contract or worse.

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I just think after his 50 point game, he saw his career trajectory and role differently than the organization.

A lot of posters cried about his defense as well.

Sure, he’s way more useful than Wiseman but I’m not too concerned if he wasn’t in the long term plans.

I do wish that Monty could have spent a season coaching him up though.

[Piston Pete]

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[GreekAlex]

We traded our Ironman for James Wiseman

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

Bey was good when we had Cade/Bey/Grant playing together and all scoring efficient 20 ppg. Despite of Bey issues he would be 100x more usefull than Wiseman. We have 2 Forwards in our roster and one is almost always injured, the other is 34 yo. We need Forwards, not only guards and centers.

We've been playing Cade a lot at SF and I am not a fan of it. Bey would be very useful for us.

If the team was at full strength, what type of role would you see him playing?

He’d be valuable right now with all the injuries but do you think he’s anymore than a 6th man long term?

[vege]

I’m well aware but he’s not the answer.

If I recall correctly, you weren’t a fan of Bey and his lack of defense & ball movement.

It’s a complicated puzzle to construct a solid rebuild.

Weeding through your team’s own draft picks and trying to assemble complimentary veterans that want to participate at the right price is a delicate balancing act.

We’ll find out a lot more about Weaver during the upcoming offseason than his entire current body of work.

Even the trade deadline should give us clues. How he deals with our own FA’s and how he uses the cap space will be key.

After seeing enough sample size under coach Monty should help in the decision making process.

Bey was good when we had Cade/Bey/Grant playing together and all scoring efficient 20 ppg. Despite of Bey issues he would be 100x more usefull than Wiseman. We have 2 Forwards in our roster and one is almost always injured, the other is 34 yo. We need Forwards, not only guards and centers.

We've been playing Cade a lot at SF and I am not a fan of it. Bey would be very useful for us.

If the team was at full strength, what type of role would you see him playing?

He’d be valuable right now with all the injuries but do you think he’s anymore than a 6th man long term?

Considering with him we would have only 4 Forwards on the roster (and Livers is never healthy), he would get minutes in the 2nd unit.

This is how I see our roster right now.

C - Duren / Stewart / Bagley / Wiseman
PF - / Livers
SF - Bojan / Ausar
SG - Burks / Ivey / Umude / Harris
PG - Cade / Morris / Sasser / Hayes

Remove a Center and add a Forward, and it's much a more ballanced roster. It's still terrible tho.

Bey is flawed but he is 10x better than Wiseman as a basketball player. So better player and better fit. That trade makes 0 sense. After that trade I stopped watching the team last season.

[Kalamazoo317]

Oh no! We lost an efficient 12 point a game scorer who doesn't play defense! Franchise ruined ....

[vege]

Oh no! We lost an efficient 12 point a game scorer who doesn't play defense! Franchise ruined ....

We traded him for a guy who is not even GLeague material.

[7r5ur]

Oh no! We lost an efficient 12 point a game scorer who doesn't play defense! Franchise ruined ....

We traded him for a guy who is not even GLeague material.

I didn't like the Wiseman fit, but taking a swing on a boom or bust guy while giving up someone that has no future with the team was not the issue.

[vege]

Oh no! We lost an efficient 12 point a game scorer who doesn't play defense! Franchise ruined ....

We traded him for a guy who is not even GLeague material.

I didn't like the Wiseman fit, but taking a swing on a boom or bust guy while giving up someone that has no future with the team was not the issue.

It was a bust or bust guy and we benched Duren for that. Yeah it wasn't the issue, sure...

[7r5ur]

We traded him for a guy who is not even GLeague material.

I didn't like the Wiseman fit, but taking a swing on a boom or bust guy while giving up someone that has no future with the team was not the issue.

It was a bust or bust guy and we benched Duren for that. Yeah it wasn't the issue, sure...

Wiseman is a physical freak and didn't really get opportunities in Golden State, there isn't really any debating that. Turns out Kerr was seeing in practice what we are in games lol. I didn't really see the long-term plan with him on the roster with Duren, but we can't pretend that there wasn't upside potential there.

Clearly Bey was on the way out. No defense, super streaky shooting with the Pistons (largely due to him thinking he was the best player on the team and taking terrible shots), not passing to open teammates, wanting an absurd contract, ignoring the coaches and front office asking him to play within his limitations. So no, Bey wasn't the issue.

[Cowology]

Bey was on the way out one way or the other. We essentially took a flyer on former lotto pick.

Didn't work out, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong move.

But even IF it was the wrong move, it was essentially inconsequential in relation to the rather large stink being made. It just looks silly at this point. You are always angry. It's hard to take anybody serious who is always bitching. I mean, this is what your upset about? Bey vs Wiseman?? get over it.

[keepitrealhomes]

The sunken cost vs high risk, high reward debate is very reminiscent of the giant douche vs. turd sandwich debate from South Park.