Extensions for Hayes and Wiseman

[SuperBad]

I just think it will come down to how much we can get for Morris/Killian or how much he wants in free agency, if he expects a lot more than Killian, I’m definitely keeping Killian, I think he better than Morris in three years

[mr23frahee]

Let Burks and Morris play once healthy, then flip at least one of them. See if Killian can play well for a whole season. If he can, he's a perfect / cheap guy to come off the bench long term.

[SuperBad]

I just think it will come down to how much we can get for Morris/Killian or how much he wants in free agency, if he expects a lot more than Killian, I’m definitely keeping Killian, I think he better than Morris in three years

[theBigLip]

I just think it will come down to how much we can get for Morris/Killian or how much he wants in free agency, if he expects a lot more than Killian, I’m definitely keeping Killian, I think he better than Morris in three years

How much they will sign for is definitely the data point we need. Hayes isn't going to be an all star, but a serviceable rotation player for sure. Do you pay a couple mil per season for that, or 10 mil? and the answer to that is whether or not he is on the team next year. I'm really curious.

[Canadafan]

No more than what we paid CoJo in the past few years for Hayes since we have years worth of data at this point

Wiseman is just regret personified, no need

Coach Monty is bringing him along slowly so I'll again be holding out hope until he earns a little showcase later on in the season. Ya never know, we might be pleasantly surprised

[MortSahlfan]

There won't be any time for him once everyone comes back.

[Crymson]

Coach Monty is bringing him along slowly so I'll again be holding out hope until he earns a little showcase later on in the season. Ya never know, we might be pleasantly surprised

He was extremely bad for the Pistons last year, he lost the preseason battle to Bagley (who's not very good himself), and he's been terrible in the small minutes he's seen so far.

[Invictus88]

Coach Monty is bringing him along slowly so I'll again be holding out hope until he earns a little showcase later on in the season. Ya never know, we might be pleasantly surprised

He was extremely bad for the Pistons last year, he lost the preseason battle to Bagley (who's not very good himself), and he's been terrible in the small minutes he's seen so far.

Honestly at this point I think he would be better served being sent to the g-league to work on fundamentals. He's only playing minutes because we don't have another live body at the 5 to throw in.

[Canadafan]

Coach Monty is bringing him along slowly so I'll again be holding out hope until he earns a little showcase later on in the season. Ya never know, we might be pleasantly surprised

He was extremely bad for the Pistons last year, he lost the preseason battle to Bagley (who's not very good himself), and he's been terrible in the small minutes he's seen so far.

Nobody wants to hear facts man

[Crymson]

Nobody wants to hear facts man

It's looking like a pretty darned bad trade at this point. Hopefully that changes, but it ain't looking good.

[theBigLip]

Nobody wants to hear facts man

It's looking like a pretty darned bad trade at this point. Hopefully that changes, but it ain't looking good.

We wanted to get rid of Bey. We weren’t going to overpay to keep him. I guess we could have just cut him. Or we could find a trade and see what we could get. None of us know all the deals that were available to Weaver. I guess we could have dealt directly with Atlanta and got a couple of seconds (not a big fan of them - they are almost like lottery tickets - long odds to be meaningful). But I don’t think Bey was worth much. It seems Wiseman isn’t either.

[Crymson]

We wanted to get rid of Bey. We weren’t going to overpay to keep him. I guess we could have just cut him. Or we could find a trade and see what we could get.

You're describing a pending free agent. Bey wasn't going to be a free agent until 2024. That's still the case, as the Hawks opted against giving him an extension in the offseason.

There was time, and there was no urgency. I wonder if we'll ever find out how much of the suddenness was Weaver having a chance to acquire Wiseman, a guy he reportedly (and this is concerning) had at the top of his 2020 draft board.

None of us know all the deals that were available to Weaver. I guess we could have dealt directly with Atlanta and got a couple of seconds (not a big fan of them - they are almost like lottery tickets - long odds to be meaningful). But I don’t think Bey was worth much. It seems Wiseman isn’t either.

Atlanta paid five 2nds (four of them unprotected) in the trade. The Pistons routed those to Golden State in exchange for Wiseman.

[bstein14]

We wanted to get rid of Bey. We weren’t going to overpay to keep him. I guess we could have just cut him. Or we could find a trade and see what we could get.

You're describing a pending free agent. Bey wasn't going to be a free agent until 2024. That's still the case, as the Hawks opted against giving him an extension in the offseason.

There was time, and there was no urgency. I wonder if we'll ever find out how much of the suddenness was Weaver having a chance to acquire Wiseman, a guy he reportedly (and this is concerning) had at the top of his 2020 draft board.

None of us know all the deals that were available to Weaver. I guess we could have dealt directly with Atlanta and got a couple of seconds (not a big fan of them - they are almost like lottery tickets - long odds to be meaningful). But I don’t think Bey was worth much. It seems Wiseman isn’t either.

Atlanta paid five 2nds (four of them unprotected) in the trade. The Pistons routed those to Golden State in exchange for Wiseman.

And a RFA at that. And those five 2nd rounders combined with the $10 million in cap space could have likely landed us a player and a first rounder IMO.... the Spurs got a 2030 unprotected 1st round pick swap for taking on Reggie Bullock and giving out 3 first rounders. That type of unprotected potential pick upgrade 7 years down the road is a lottery ticket you could certainly hit on if things go right.

[Invictus88]

We wanted to get rid of Bey. We weren’t going to overpay to keep him. I guess we could have just cut him. Or we could find a trade and see what we could get.

You're describing a pending free agent. Bey wasn't going to be a free agent until 2024. That's still the case, as the Hawks opted against giving him an extension in the offseason.

There was time, and there was no urgency. I wonder if we'll ever find out how much of the suddenness was Weaver having a chance to acquire Wiseman, a guy he reportedly (and this is concerning) had at the top of his 2020 draft board.

None of us know all the deals that were available to Weaver. I guess we could have dealt directly with Atlanta and got a couple of seconds (not a big fan of them - they are almost like lottery tickets - long odds to be meaningful). But I don’t think Bey was worth much. It seems Wiseman isn’t either.

Atlanta paid five 2nds (four of them unprotected) in the trade. The Pistons routed those to Golden State in exchange for Wiseman.

At the point of the trade it was deemed that Bey wasn't going to be part of the future of the Pistons. It was pretty evident in terms of his development being stunted here. So Weaver pulled the trigger on a different prospect that was stunted for reasons of lack of opportunity -- Wiseman for a 1 year+ trial run.

I don't really know what the point would be to keeping Bey around any longer. It wasn't like his value was increasing while he was here.

I don't have details into the 5 seconds that were traded. In hindsight sure -- the 2nds were better. But Weaver was betting that Wiseman still had more unlocked potential than that.

Do we know what Portland got for any of those 5 seconds? Has it been anything of note? Most fizzle into nothingness. But maybe 5 is enough to buck the odds on one?

I really can't complain too hard. Weaver took a swing. It didn't pan out. But it's still better than letting Bey play out his contract here and then walk. And no, I don't think we will get anything from Wiseman in the end.

[Crymson]

At the point of the trade it was deemed that Bey wasn't going to be part of the future of the Pistons. It was pretty evident in terms of his development being stunted here.So Weaver pulled the trigger on a different prospect that was stunted for reasons of lack of opportunity -- Wiseman for a 1 year+ trial run.

We've never heard the full story. Bey was deemed to be an entrenched and valuable piece of the future as late as early last season. Then suddenly he was gone. It all happened very quickly. We never got any explanation as to why, or as to why certain aspects of his play fell off a cliff.

I don't really know what the point would be to keeping Bey around any longer. It wasn't like his value was increasing while he was here.

Maybe see what happens. Trade him at the draft if things don't improve. Whatever.

I don't have details into the 5 seconds that were traded. In hindsight sure -- the 2nds were better. But Weaver was betting that Wiseman still had more unlocked potential than that.

Five 2nds is a not-inconsiderable package. Whatever Troy's evaluation of Wiseman, it appears at this stage (subject to change, of course) to have been very inaccurate. He was absolutely awful last season in Detroit and lost the preseason battle to Bagley (himself nothing special).

Do we know what Portland got for any of those 5 seconds? Has it been anything of note? Most fizzle into nothingness. But maybe 5 is enough to buck the odds on one?

The Blazers got three of those picks from the Warriors in exchange for GP2, plus another future 2nd from the Warriors. The Warriors kept two of the picks they got in the trade.

One of the picks Portland received was #43 in the 2023 draft. The rest are future picks; so far as I know, the Blazers currently still hold them.

I really can't complain too hard. Weaver took a swing. It didn't pan out. But it's still better than letting Bey play out his contract here and then walk. And no, I don't think we will get anything from Wiseman in the end.

Weaver turned four 2nds and Kennard into Bey, which he thereupon turned into what seems very much to be yet another failed reclamation project in a string of Weaver reclamation projects of which exactly zero have succeeded thus far. The running tally is eight second-round picks.

I'd rather have had the draft stock.

[vege]

Weaver turned four 2nds and Kennard into Bey, which he thereupon turned into what seems very much to be yet another failed reclamation project in a string of Weaver reclamation projects of which exactly zero have succeeded thus far. The running tally is eight second-round picks.

I'd rather have had the draft stock.

Trey Lyles was very decent for us (Much better than Bagley) and I have hopes for Kevin Knox, but I can't disagree with anything else you said.

[Crymson]

Trey Lyles was very decent for us (Much better than Bagley) and I have hopes for Kevin Knox, but I can't disagree with anything else you said.

Lyles has been a lot better for the Kings. He both rediscovered how to shoot and lost 20 pounds in his first offseason. He's pretty much just a three-point shooter for them, and the weight loss has made him agile enough to be a fair perimeter defender. For the Pistons, he was an unreliable shooter who was best suited to play center but couldn't really defend the interior.

His biggest claim to fame will always be as the guy for whom Denver bizarrely traded the lottery pick which the Jazz used to draft Donovan Mitchell.

[vege]

Trey Lyles was very decent for us (Much better than Bagley) and I have hopes for Kevin Knox, but I can't disagree with anything else you said.

Lyles has been a lot better for the Kings. He both rediscovered how to shoot and lost 20 pounds in his first offseason. He's pretty much just a three-point shooter for them, and the weight loss has made him agile enough to be a fair perimeter defender. For the Pistons, he was an unreliable shooter who was best suited to play center but couldn't really defend the interior.

His biggest claim to fame will always be as the guy for whom Denver bizarrely traded the lottery pick which the Jazz used to draft Donovan Mitchell.

In December and January he was very solid for us, having a few insane games. He had a 28/8 game against Miami and a 21/7 against Toronto, then we traded him (as a salary filler) for Marvin freaking Bagley.

[Crymson]

In December and January he was very solid for us, having a few insane games. He had a 28/8 game against Miami and a 21/7 against Toronto, then we traded him (as a salary filler) for Marvin freaking Bagley.

Role players have big games sometimes. On the whole, though, he wasn't all that good.

I didn't mind the Bagley trade. He still had a lot of raw talent and the cost was minimal. The three-year deal at above market rate I wasn't so much a fan of, though I understand the rationale behind it.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look too much to me like he's going to pan out. He's done surprisingly well as a straight-on rim protector so far in the season (small sample size, admittedly), but he's still got bad defensive instincts, he gets pushed around by larger centers, he gets bodied on the boards, and he's nothing special on offense.

I think his ideal position in the NBA is power forward, but he can't shoot. And the FO has some odd ideas about who should play center and who should play power forward.