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Post#241 » by Invictus88 » Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:08 am

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Spider156 wrote:Well he didn’t shoot them his first year. That’s what I mean by improvement. I also see shooting a basketball for what it is. A skill that’s difficult to master and it takes years sometimes. If he shoots 40% from 3 he’s easily worth 20-25m a year. He’s not gonna do that. If he does 35% that’s league average. I know how these averages work though from a basketball standpoint. The most difficult part is consistency which is why Bey got traded. One month you can shoot 40% the next 30% and you get 35% average but it doesn’t mean you’re an average shooter. You could be good it just didn’t go down for some games and some games it did. How to show you’re a good shooter is what you’re scoring in practice not just the game. I know how sports works and a lot goes on behind the scenes than what fans think. The best example I could give you is every year fans doubt a player coming out of the G league or this year OTE. Shaedon Sharpe turned out to be a great prospect. Twins are great prospects. It’s not black and white. There’s a lot of gray area in sports. When it comes to the worst record in the league, you’re bound to look bad and the team is just that bad. That’s cuz they’re a bunch of rookies. I think that changes this year because of Cade Monte Morris and Monty Williams. You’ll notice a different smoother game just because the point guards will run the offense smoother and not Killian.
So in other words he has improved on anything, just because you start doing something doesn't mean you improved. And if Stewart shot 40% wouldn't make him anywhere close to a 25mil player. I know it's the off-season but I really do question how many pistons games people around here actually watch.

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Um, clearly Stewart has improved at 3 point shooting since we drafted him. It sounds pretty darn silly to say otherwise…


It's undeniable that he shot more threes last year. Calling that an improvement is debatable since his 3pt percentage was below league average.

And purely percentage-wise from year to year he hasn't improved his 3pt shot.

Saying otherwise is literally inventing things. Clearly if you are drawing other conclusions then you aren't looking at the same numbers I am...

And bringing Cade’s numbers into this is irrelevant in evaluating whether Stewart improved or not.

I hope he's way better shooting the 3 this year. It would go a long way towards solving our problems at the 4. But we've seen no indication he's going to be other than him saying he's worked on it a lot this offseason.
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Post#242 » by Spider156 » Tue Aug 1, 2023 1:27 am

The fact that Stewart has continued to be in trade rumors/talks even after his contract extension should put this conversation to rest. I think most people by now should realize that we got Stewart for a good contract and in my opinion might have even increased his trade value given that he’s still only 22 and on a long team friendly contract until 26.

I applaud Weaver for making a good deal like this.
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Post#243 » by Pharaoh » Tue Aug 1, 2023 2:50 am

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mattao313 wrote:So in other words he has improved on anything, just because you start doing something doesn't mean you improved. And if Stewart shot 40% wouldn't make him anywhere close to a 25mil player. I know it's the off-season but I really do question how many pistons games people around here actually watch.

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Um, clearly Stewart has improved at 3 point shooting since we drafted him. It sounds pretty darn silly to say otherwise…


It's undeniable that he shot more threes last year. Calling that an improvement is debatable since his 3pt percentage was below league average.

And purely percentage-wise from year to year he hasn't improved his 3pt shot.


Saying otherwise is literally inventing things. Clearly if you are drawing other conclusions then you aren't looking at the same numbers I am...

And bringing Cade’s numbers into this is irrelevant in evaluating whether Stewart improved or not.

I hope he's way better shooting the 3 this year. It would go a long way towards solving our problems at the 4. But we've seen no indication he's going to be other than him saying he's worked on it a lot this offseason.


To the bold:

So he went from attempting 0.9 and hitting 0.3 as a rookie = .333%

To attempting 0.6 3s per game, hitting them at 0.2 per game = .326%

Then attempted 4.1 and hitting them at 1.3 per game = .327%

And in your eyes that's the same thing cause the percentage didn't change?

Idk what to tell you dude but the increase in volume while maintaining the same percentage IS a improvement!

Volume matters


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Post#244 » by Pharaoh » Tue Aug 1, 2023 2:52 am

Spider156 wrote:The fact that Stewart has continued to be in trade rumors/talks even after his contract extension should put this conversation to rest. I think most people by now should realize that we got Stewart for a good contract and in my opinion might have even increased his trade value given that he’s still only 22 and on a long team friendly contract until 26.

I applaud Weaver for making a good deal like this.
Of course it's a good contract. It's MLE atm and will be just under that moving forward for a young af player who at worse is a rotational big.

People like to complain just to complain

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Post#245 » by Crymson » Tue Aug 1, 2023 2:59 am

When Stewart hurt his shoulder in mid-January, he'd shot 38% from three over his last 30 games. His shot wasn't the same after that injury, an injury which ultimately ended his season.
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Post#246 » by Billl » Tue Aug 1, 2023 12:20 pm

Generally, you can tell when a guy is comfortable taking a particular shot. Stew is comfortable taking a 3. He's got to keep working and improve his consistency, but that is going to be part of his game. Is he ever going to be a legit offensive weapon? Probably not. His bread and butter is likely always going to be his hustle and defense, and if he can space the floor while doing that, then he's a valuable rotation big.
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Post#247 » by theBigLip » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:24 pm

I didn’t realize he was so young. An interesting tidbit from an ESPN article on free agency this summer:

The best news for Detroit here is Stewart's age: 22, younger than four players drafted in the first round last month (Kobe Brown, Jaime Jacquez Jr., Kris Murray and Marcus Sasser). This deal will take him right up to his likely peak years in the NBA.
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Post#248 » by Pharaoh » Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:54 pm

theBigLip wrote:I didn’t realize he was so young. An interesting tidbit from an ESPN article on free agency this summer:

The best news for Detroit here is Stewart's age: 22, younger than four players drafted in the first round last month (Kobe Brown, Jaime Jacquez Jr., Kris Murray and Marcus Sasser). This deal will take him right up to his likely peak years in the NBA.
Kinda forget how young he is and not just him - vast majority of our roster is young af!

Anyone with free time wanna work out the average age of the team if you don't include Bojan, Morris, Harris & Burks?

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Post#249 » by Pharaoh » Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:57 am

Was bored so:

Between Cade, Duren, Ivey, Ausar, Wiseman, Sasser, Hayes, Stewart, Bagley & Livers the average age is 21.8 yrs old

No wonder we don't win a lot of games lol



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Post#250 » by theBigLip » Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:40 am

Pharaoh wrote:Was bored so:

Between Cade, Duren, Ivey, Ausar, Wiseman, Sasser, Hayes, Stewart, Bagley & Livers the average age is 21.8 yrs old

No wonder we don't win a lot of games lol

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That’s a great sign for a rebuild done right. I think most all of them are part of our future. Wiseman, Bagley, Hayes and Sassar are questionable.
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Post#251 » by Snakebites » Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:02 am

theBigLip wrote:Wiseman, Bagley, Hayes and Sassar are questionable.


I’ve got a pretty confident answer for Hayes, Bagley and Wiseman.

NO

I also think Livers’ background has colored the discourse on him a lot among Piston fans. He wouldn’t be talked about as a sure fire key piece if he didn’t have those roots. He hasn’t accomplished all that much at the pro level. Not saying he won’t be a key piece, but if he was from California and went to Cal I don’t think most Piston fans would see him as a major piece or possible starter.
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Post#252 » by theBigLip » Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:01 am

Snakebites wrote:
theBigLip wrote:Wiseman, Bagley, Hayes and Sassar are questionable.


I’ve got a pretty confident answer for Hayes, Bagley and Wiseman.

NO

I also think Livers’ background has colored the discourse on him a lot among Piston fans. He wouldn’t be talked about as a sure fire key piece if he didn’t have those roots. He hasn’t accomplished all that much at the pro level. Not saying he won’t be a key piece, but if he was from California and went to Cal I don’t think most Piston fans would see him as a major piece or possible starter.


I’m still ok w giving Wiseman, Bagley and Hayes this season, although you are likely correct in your assessment. Still, Wiseman is so young and hasn’t had enough playing time. And Hayes went off for a month last year. Is that something he can revive and sustain this year? Regardless, all 3 have performed waaaaaay under their draft slots.

Admittedly, I’m a Wolverine and been a Livers fan for awhile, and probably his biggest fan on this board. But a few things to consider:
- he was certainly going to be a first rounder until he got hurt his senior year.
- in the NBA he has shown a good instinct on both ends of the floor, plays a team game, and can shoot the three.
- unfortunately, he continues to get injured and I can’t even keep up with his list of maladies
- good news is he isn’t getting paid much so he is good value for a roster spot
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Post#253 » by Mr Peanut » Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:28 am

Yeah, I would say Livers has outperformed the average #42 pick from a production point of view, it's just the constant injuries that have held him back from being a regular contributor. Obviously he has this season to really prove his worth or the QO won't come.
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Post#254 » by Uncle Mxy » Mon Sep 4, 2023 12:50 am

Gilbert Arenas admits he was terrified when Isaiah Stewart ‘pulled up’ on him after he defended LeBron James

https://lakersdaily.com/gilbert-arenas-admits-he-was-terrified-when-isaiah-stewart-pulled-up-on-him-after-he-defended-lebron-james/
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Post#255 » by MotownMadness » Mon Sep 4, 2023 1:01 am

Uncle Mxy wrote:
Gilbert Arenas admits he was terrified when Isaiah Stewart ‘pulled up’ on him after he defended LeBron James

https://lakersdaily.com/gilbert-arenas-admits-he-was-terrified-when-isaiah-stewart-pulled-up-on-him-after-he-defended-lebron-james/

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Post#256 » by mattao313 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:56 am

16 games in he looks overpaid and we jumped the gun extending him. I still don't understand the logic behind extending him in the first place.

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