GAME 17: Pistons(2-14) vs Wizards(2-14) Mon 11/27 7PM (Battle of the Beatens)

[Moses ShamMoses]

I like that Ivey seems to be handling the ball more / playing some point when playing with Cade. It should take some pressure off Cade and hopefully he'll settle in better.

[kierkegaard]

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I don't like this look at all. Monty says near the end that "it's on me". But in every other way (demeanor, etc) he says it's on the players - e.g. their lack of executing in games what they go through in practice.

That's NOT the problem.

First, as everyone on this board points out, the main problem is that the players for every other team are collectively better than ours.

Second, Monty is not demonstrating that he knows how to squeeze lemonade out of a basket of lemons. Some coaches can; so far he has not.

So by not owning up to his true shortcomings and misidentifying the problem with the players (intensity, etc. vs talent) he is creating an incredibly bad team psychology which ultimately will stunt individual growth and development.

I hope I'm wrong.

[kierkegaard]

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I don't like this look at all. Monty says near the end that "it's on me". But in every other way (demeanor, etc) he says it's on the players - e.g. their lack of executing in games what they go through in practice.

That's NOT the problem.

First, as everyone on this board points out, the main problem is that the players for every other team are collectively better than ours.

Second, Monty is not demonstrating that he knows how to squeeze lemonade out of a basket of lemons. Some coaches can; so far he has not.

So by not owning up to his true shortcomings and misidentifying the problem with the players (intensity, etc. vs talent) he is creating an incredibly bad team psychology which ultimately will stunt individual growth and development.

I hope I'm wrong.

I should add that he of course cannot just come out and say we lack the talent to win.

[bstein14]

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I don't like this look at all. Monty says near the end that "it's on me". But in every other way (demeanor, etc) he says it's on the players - e.g. their lack of executing in games what they go through in practice.

That's NOT the problem.

First, as everyone on this board points out, the main problem is that the players for every other team are collectively better than ours.

Second, Monty is not demonstrating that he knows how to squeeze lemonade out of a basket of lemons. Some coaches can; so far he has not.

So by not owning up to his true shortcomings and misidentifying the problem with the players (intensity, etc. vs talent) he is creating an incredibly bad team psychology which ultimately will stunt individual growth and development.

I hope I'm wrong.

I should add that he of course cannot just come out and say we lack the talent to win.

I wish someone from the media would ask Monty if he's talked to Weaver about what the team is lacking.

[fleet40]

I know everyone hates Killian Hayes Herr, but the guy played his ass off in his limited minutes. He tries to pass to the right guys, moves on defense and fn blocked 2 shots. Meanwhile Stewart who is somehow loved for his "toughness" and is somehow the team leader stands out at the 3 line begging for passes and I can't remember the last time he took a charge or set a decent pick.

Stewart is not our leader, he is not a very good player. He is part of our rott and needs to be benched for Bagley. Speaking of Bagley, what is up with coach playing him consistently and then just completely benching him out?

Coach uses Ivey and Hayes as his whipping boys in front of the cameras but gives Cade, and Stewart near cart blanch in making dumb errors and turnovers.

Sasser should also not see the floor when Bogey comes back. It should be Hayes as a true PG with if Cade and Bogey are playing together. There is only 1 fn ball out there folks.

[NYPiston]

Are we the worst team ever?

Obviously it’s early, but this has strong potential to be the worst season in NBA history.

An argument can be made for it. Any team with a 14 game losing streak capped off by being plastered by the second worst team at home has to be in consideration for worst ever. They've regressed from the 17 win team that didn't have Cade Cunningham, it's a pretty dire situation at the moment.

[MortSahlfan]

I'm so sick of the (fake) "this is on me" cop-out. "It's my fault we didn't compete" is a shot at the players. Just say it. Don't beat around the bush.

**** the draft. Trade the pick for a PROVEN player. **** potential. We need vets, anyway. Let them be stars elsewhere. I think we can build around Cade and Duren.. Stew needs to be the back-up 5, but as a starter, Monty is making him a spot-up shooter, instead of 3 guys needing to body him up for a rebound. Sure, Stew won't get the rebound/stat.

Detroit will never be a free-agent haven. Josh Smith (lol) is the "biggest" player we ever signed. TRADES. Draft picks usually turn out to be busts. Look at all the past lottery picks, and it's a joke. And then what happens? We re-sign potential. Paying Wiseman 12 million (again) when he can't/doesn't play. Joe Harris.

If Monte Morris ever plays, he'll have to start with Cade. Ivey can be more of a lead in the 2nd unit with Stew when Bojan plays. Livers should get an opportunity for 5-games of consistent minutes (25ish). Monty isn't helping Sasser with 2 minutes per half. He seems to be a rhythm player. Either give him responsibility and minutes, or don't play him at all.

Weaver can't say he wants defensive guys and then brings guys who can't play a lick of defense. Our defense is the reason why we suck. Pistons play good when they score in the paint. We don't have Curry and Klay, enough of the fcking 3's.

[vege]

I know everyone hates Killian Hayes Herr, but the guy played his ass off in his limited minutes. He tries to pass to the right guys, moves on defense and fn blocked 2 shots. Meanwhile Stewart who is somehow loved for his "toughness" and is somehow the team leader stands out at the 3 line begging for passes and I can't remember the last time he took a charge or set a decent pick.

Stewart is not our leader, he is not a very good player. He is part of our rott and needs to be benched for Bagley. Speaking of Bagley, what is up with coach playing him consistently and then just completely benching him out?

Coach uses Ivey and Hayes as his whipping boys in front of the cameras but gives Cade, and Stewart near cart blanch in making dumb errors and turnovers.

Sasser should also not see the floor when Bogey comes back. It should be Hayes as a true PG with if Cade and Bogey are playing together. There is only 1 fn ball out there folks.

I think Hayes played well, and Sasser has been bad for a while now, he had a hot stretch but other than that he's been awful, same thing for Burks.

[Billl]

I know everyone hates Killian Hayes Herr, but the guy played his ass off in his limited minutes. He tries to pass to the right guys, moves on defense and fn blocked 2 shots. Meanwhile Stewart who is somehow loved for his "toughness" and is somehow the team leader stands out at the 3 line begging for passes and I can't remember the last time he took a charge or set a decent pick.

Stewart is not our leader, he is not a very good player. He is part of our rott and needs to be benched for Bagley. Speaking of Bagley, what is up with coach playing him consistently and then just completely benching him out?

Coach uses Ivey and Hayes as his whipping boys in front of the cameras but gives Cade, and Stewart near cart blanch in making dumb errors and turnovers.

Sasser should also not see the floor when Bogey comes back. It should be Hayes as a true PG with if Cade and Bogey are playing together. There is only 1 fn ball out there folks.

Killian made a couple defensive plays, but we has not good defensively. He gave up multiple easy looks because he was out of position or reaching. And offensively, 0 points and was afraid to take a shot. You can't be an NBA rotation player if you do that.

And Bagley, if you want effort, he's not your guy. Stew has his own issues, but we were a -17 without him on the floor. You can make a case for playing bagley over wiseman, but both of those guys are net negatives for us, so that isn't saying much.

[breezypeezy]

Send every piece of sh-÷ on the roster to a developmental league and field a G League roster in its place.
These losers have never learned the lesson of consequences. There needs to be consequences for this level of losing.

[bstein14]

If we wanted to get rid of Bey we should have just taken back Gary Payton Jr in that trade, who is an actual NBA caliber player and can shoot and defend. Weaver **** that trade up by bringing in Wiseman who doesn’t fit at all when we already had so many other non shooters. We also would look better and have better spacing if we never traded aLyles for Bagley.

C: Duran / Stew
F: Bojan / Lyles
F: Ausar / Burks / Livers
G: Ivey / Payton Jr / Sasser
G: Cade / Morris / Hayes

Much better D and much better spacing.

[Canadafan]

If we wanted to get rid of Bey we should have just taken back Gary Payton Jr in that trade, who is an actual NBA caliber player and can shoot and defend. Weaver **** that trade up by bringing in Wiseman who doesn’t fit at all when we already had so many other non shooters. We also would look better and have better spacing if we never traded aLyles for Bagley.

C: Duran / Stew
F: Bojan / Lyles
F: Ausar / Burks / Livers
G: Ivey / Payton Jr / Sasser
G: Cade / Morris / Hayes

Much better D and much better spacing.

Sounds nice In theory but it was pretty obvious Warriors wanted their guy Payton

[bstein14]

If we wanted to get rid of Bey we should have just taken back Gary Payton Jr in that trade, who is an actual NBA caliber player and can shoot and defend. Weaver **** that trade up by bringing in Wiseman who doesn’t fit at all when we already had so many other non shooters. We also would look better and have better spacing if we never traded aLyles for Bagley.

C: Duran / Stew
F: Bojan / Lyles
F: Ausar / Burks / Livers
G: Ivey / Payton Jr / Sasser
G: Cade / Morris / Hayes

Much better D and much better spacing.

Sounds nice I'm theory but it was pretty obvious Warriors wanted their guy Payton

But the Warriors could have been cut out of the deal.

Detroit trades Bey gets Payton
Atlanta trades 5 second rounders gets Bey (that is what they did already)
Portland trades Payton gets 5 second rounders (that is what they did already)

Nothing would need to change for the other two teams the Pistons would have just had to have been smart enough to trade Bey for Payton instead of wanting Wiseman in this scenario.

[joedumars1]

I’m pretty worried Monty is going to lose this team. It **** sucks, I like cade, Ivey, duren, and ausar. I hope I’m wrong but one or two of these guys will be moved.

Monty just blaming players when what he was doing with Ivey was stupid after like the 5-6th game, he should’ve started playing Ivey/cade together more. Now if we got stew playing when bojan comes back if Monty doesn’t run

Cade
Ivey
Bojan or ausar
Ausar or bojan
Duren

Then I’m of the belief he don’t have a damn clue. Sadly it seems duren is injury prone and that blows. So my guess is bye bye cade cause an injury riddled duren means Detroit defenitely losing a bunch.

[Kalamazoo317]

Ivey was playing like crap in the preseason and at the start of the season and now he's probably playing the best ball of anyone. I know y'all hate to consider it, but *maybe benching him worked!* Honestly, I think Cade needs to be benched so maybe he can start playing smarter ball.