Game 24: Pistons vs. 76ers - 7 PM EST

[Billl]

The saddest part of that game was that half the team didn't know the defensive rotations on many plays. I can't even count the number of times where they were just absolutely confused in coverage. I think I counted 4 plays where we had 2 guys sprinting out at someone taking a corner 3. They were obviously changing our normal base defense with all those switches out top on embiid, but come on. Guys have to at least know the rotation if they are going to be on the floor.

[whitehops]

Like it or not it's often the guy who reacts to the instigating act that gets hit with the tech / whatever. Beverly definitely elbowed Stew. Stew then chose to take the bait and do it harder back. Mission accomplished for Beverly.

You just can’t do this when you're already short big men and in foul trouble. It's no wonder we've lost 21 straight with low IQ plays like this.

i wish the league would retroactively give flagrants/techs to plays like beverley's elbow but oh well.

my bigger concern is that if he doesn't have the reputation by now, people are going to know that stewart has a short fuse and is easily manipulated by plays like this. blake knew it well and got under stew's skin so easily that first season when he went to brooklyn.

[Patrick27]

Like it or not it's often the guy who reacts to the instigating act that gets hit with the tech / whatever. Beverly definitely elbowed Stew. Stew then chose to take the bait and do it harder back. Mission accomplished for Beverly.

You just can’t do this when you're already short big men and in foul trouble. It's no wonder we've lost 21 straight with low IQ plays like this.

i wish the league would retroactively give flagrants/techs to plays like beverley's elbow but oh well.

my bigger concern is that if he doesn't have the reputation by now, people are going to know that stewart has a short fuse and is easily manipulated by plays like this. blake knew it well and got under stew's skin so easily that first season when he went to brooklyn.

Lebron, Blake, and now Beverley. Stew is going to get a reputation from this, and honestly that might not be a horrible thing. We need an enforcer, and someone to show some heart and pride. I'm all for it being Beef Stew. Becoming our Draymond Green would be a great outcome for him, as long as he knows when to bottle it up and when to let it out, and I think he does.

I was beginning to think that nobody on the team cared about anything anymore - that's the most fire we've seen in at least a month. Nice to see someone on the team has a pulse - the rest of them look sedated.

[DBC10]

Hell maybe try going small with Sasser, Ivey, Cade, Bojan, Ausar...Can't be worse than what's happening now, right?

Monty will not change it up. He says one thing and does another

The defense issues primarily are driven by the current schemes and sets by Monty and the staff. No way we were this bad last year with Casey

[7r5ur]

How did Cade become a worse defensive player than Ivey? What happened since his rookie season where he looked really solid on that end?

He didn't. You're just blind because you love what Ivey could become and you think he will be our savior since Cade is not prime MJ.

He has 0 motivation tho, so he's been bad, Ivey is just in another level of badness defensively.

i was awaiting your response. There is no one on the team that puts less effort in getting around a pick than Cade at this point. No need to play more D for him than he does. And that’s while getting the easiest matchup every night. It’s weird that people will rag on the efficiency but not the defense.

[vege]

How did Cade become a worse defensive player than Ivey? What happened since his rookie season where he looked really solid on that end?

He didn't. You're just blind because you love what Ivey could become and you think he will be our savior since Cade is not prime MJ.

He has 0 motivation tho, so he's been bad, Ivey is just in another level of badness defensively.

i was awaiting your response. There is no one on the team that puts less effort in going around a pick than Cade at this point. No need to play more D for him than he does. And that’s while getting the easiest matchup every night.

You continue saying dumb stuff like that so yeah, I will continue to remind you of the reality.

[MortSahlfan]

I wish they'd remove the 3-pt line. I'm tired of the refs being such a part of the game. I like the challenges, but other than that, the refs can go **** off with Donaghey and all the other cheaters. "Lone assassin" my ass.

Blaha said it best. "We're not here to see [names four **** I forgot in 60 seconds]"

[Invictus88]

Like it or not it's often the guy who reacts to the instigating act that gets hit with the tech / whatever. Beverly definitely elbowed Stew. Stew then chose to take the bait and do it harder back. Mission accomplished for Beverly.

You just can’t do this when you're already short big men and in foul trouble. It's no wonder we've lost 21 straight with low IQ plays like this.

i wish the league would retroactively give flagrants/techs to plays like beverley's elbow but oh well.

my bigger concern is that if he doesn't have the reputation by now, people are going to know that stewart has a short fuse and is easily manipulated by plays like this. blake knew it well and got under stew's skin so easily that first season when he went to brooklyn.

Lebron, Blake, and now Beverley. Stew is going to get a reputation from this, and honestly that might not be a horrible thing. We need an enforcer, and someone to show some heart and pride. I'm all for it being Beef Stew. Becoming our Draymond Green would be a great outcome for him, as long as he knows when to bottle it up and when to let it out, and I think he does.

I was beginning to think that nobody on the team cared about anything anymore - that's the most fire we've seen in at least a month. Nice to see someone on the team has a pulse - the rest of them look sedated.

That ship has sailed. Stew already has that reputation. It had been baking from early tussles and was cemented with the LeBron incident.

As for the fire thing I saw the opposite. I saw a guy who didn't really care about basketball; leading him to do an overtly non-basketball thing which got him tossed.

The better course of action would be to channel that anger and focus it into a block or a dunk. Then again Stewart can't really play above the rim... so maybe shoving and elbowing are his only outlets?

[mattao313]

How did Cade become a worse defensive player than Ivey? What happened since his rookie season where he looked really solid on that end?

I was never impressed with his defense. His rookie season he got targeted a lot but I just thought it was because he was a rookie. But this season he has been awful imo the worst only above Wiseman. He's so slow, gambles, and loses his man quite often.

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[7r5ur]

He didn't. You're just blind because you love what Ivey could become and you think he will be our savior since Cade is not prime MJ.

He has 0 motivation tho, so he's been bad, Ivey is just in another level of badness defensively.

i was awaiting your response. There is no one on the team that puts less effort in going around a pick than Cade at this point. No need to play more D for him than he does. And that’s while getting the easiest matchup every night.

You continue saying dumb stuff like that so yeah, I will continue to remind you of the reality.

I defend Cade frequently on here on things that I think he's been put in a bad spot on (spacing) with this roster and the coach. But if you go back and watch the effort he played with defensively to start his rookie season and then you watch him now it's straight up depressing. He can't live off of some mythical reputation of being a passable defender while currently putting in about 20% of the effort on a good night, and easily the lowest on the team imo.

Nor do I think Ivey is any kind of savior. I'm just not someone who is irrationally all-in or all-out on guys, and try to look at things with some sense of objectivity. The fact that both Ivey and Cade are this bad on defense is a bad sign, and it's odd that one gets a pass.

[vege]

i was awaiting your response. There is no one on the team that puts less effort in going around a pick than Cade at this point. No need to play more D for him than he does. And that’s while getting the easiest matchup every night.

You continue saying dumb stuff like that so yeah, I will continue to remind you of the reality.

I defend Cade frequently on here on things that I think he's been put in a bad spot on (spacing) with this roster and the coach. But if you go back and watch the effort he played with defensively to start his rookie season and then you watch him now it's straight up depressing. He can't live off of some mythical reputation of being a passable defender while currently putting in about 20% of the effort on a good night, and easily the lowest on the team imo.

Nor do I think Ivey is any kind of savior. I'm just not someone who is irrationally all-in or all-out on guys, and try to look at things with some sense of objectivity. The fact that both Ivey and Cade are this bad on defense is a bad sign, and it's odd that one gets a pass.

I am not defending Cade. He's been bad on defense. He is great when he want to be, but it's been a while since he was putting effort on that end of the floor.

But Ivey is clueless on defense, he is on a different level of bad there. That doesn't mean Cade has been acceptable there, he's been bad and deserve criticism. He clearly quit.

[Billl]

I think Cade needs to get in better shape. He's really not putting the effort in on D and he's still gassed by the 4th quarter most nights. Coach needs to demand some better defensive play and cut back his minutes/workload until his conditioning catches up. I'd rather see him playing 30 solid minutes with good d, then him playing 35 and taking defensive plays off. I get that we just don't have the firepower to play long stretches without him, but this season is a lost cause already, so it needs to be about developing good habits and making progress.

on the plus side, his turnovers are headed in the right direction
Oct - 5.3
Nov - 4.3
Dec - 2.6