John Hollinger article on the Pistons rebuild

[Snakebites]

It's no secret we suck, but John Hollinger has been a known Pistons hater for a while. There were tensions between him and Ed Stefanski when they were both with the Grizzlies and his disdain has extended into the Weaver era. So it's no surprise that he is piling it onto us.

The article seemed pretty accurate to me though.

Mostly factual too.

[DBC10]

The spurs have been doing the same thing and not faring much better even with VW, they’ve extended young guys not worth as well, they just have two more wins than us, our pieces just don’t fit, but I there better.

Yeah, the talent level in today's league is vastly higher than what it was even 10 to 15 years ago. You got guys that can score 15-20 ppgs on good efficiency and or be great passers come up each year adding to the wealth of talent there already has been. The league left us behind in that aspect and we didn't do a good job accumulating talent that fits with the current NBA

[breezypeezy]

-, "not to mention the 2020 draft that basically netted them Hayes, Stewart and Wiseman, a bust and two non-shooters although one can argue two busts and a non-shooter."

Oh I think the debate is long past, its 2 busts and a slow, earthbound, non-shooting big to be accurate.
That 2020 draft is a unmitigated disaster there's no sugar coat for the lost opportunity costs weve sunk into putting stock and hopes into trying to force those 3 into NBA competition.
Calling them "youth" cannot disguise the level of fail they have brought the franchise.

I still think Auser, Jalen and Jaden have a future role in winning NBA games. The afore mentioned 3 cannot be sent packing soon enough, I dont think they are even salvageable.

[edmunder_prc]

Not coincidentally, Cunningham’s progress has come at the same time that Detroit stopped starting two bigs, primarily due to injuries. That hasn’t happened in five games, and in that stretch, Cunningham is posting 23.2 points while shooting 50 percent from the field, 5.8 assists (largely due to one player on Detroit being able to hit a 3) and just 2.4 turnovers. He’s even knocking down over 66 percent of his midrange attempts.

This is Weaver's fault, and it was obvious.

Is weaver the one making the starting lineups?

Cade had 43 points 7 assist 3 steals 1 block 3 turnovers. I mean them are star #’s. Now let’s play the players we have that compliment his skill set. If we have them players (shooters). Lol.

There isn't an NBA PF on the team. What else is the coach supposed to do?

Weaver went all in on the corpse of Joe Harris for the free agents. Good Lord.

Weaver is bottom 5 GM in the league, maybe the worst. The team needed glue guys that were excellent shooters and could play some defense. No one thought Joe Harris has anything left in the tank.

[GreekAlex]

Not coincidentally, Cunningham’s progress has come at the same time that Detroit stopped starting two bigs, primarily due to injuries. That hasn’t happened in five games, and in that stretch, Cunningham is posting 23.2 points while shooting 50 percent from the field, 5.8 assists (largely due to one player on Detroit being able to hit a 3) and just 2.4 turnovers. He’s even knocking down over 66 percent of his midrange attempts.

This is Weaver's fault, and it was obvious.

Is weaver the one making the starting lineups?

Cade had 43 points 7 assist 3 steals 1 block 3 turnovers. I mean them are star #’s. Now let’s play the players we have that compliment his skill set. If we have them players (shooters). Lol.

There isn't an NBA PF on the team. What else is the coach supposed to do?

Weaver went all in on the corpse of Joe Harris for the free agents. Good Lord.

Weaver is bottom 5 GM in the league, maybe the worst. The team needed glue guys that were excellent shooters and could play some defense. No one thought Joe Harris has anything left in the tank.

Hopefully Troy proves us wrong by showing Joe Harris’ true value, his $20M expiring contract.

[TPA]

-, "not to mention the 2020 draft that basically netted them Hayes, Stewart and Wiseman, a bust and two non-shooters although one can argue two busts and a non-shooter."

Oh I think the debate is long past, its 2 busts and a slow, earthbound, non-shooting big to be accurate.
That 2020 draft is a unmitigated disaster there's no sugar coat for the lost opportunity costs weve sunk into putting stock and hopes into trying to force those 3 into NBA competition.
Calling them "youth" cannot disguise the level of fail they have brought the franchise.

I still think Auser, Jalen and Jaden have a future role in winning NBA games. The afore mentioned 3 cannot be sent packing soon enough, I dont think they are even salvageable.

Most of us believed that there was a future role in winning NBA games for Stewart, Hayes, and Bey, 25 games into their second seasons.
Time will tell whether Duren's durability, Ivey's defense, and/or Ausar's offensive game still have us feeling optimistic, 25 games into the 2025 season. (I hope so!)

[joedumars1]

Not coincidentally, Cunningham’s progress has come at the same time that Detroit stopped starting two bigs, primarily due to injuries. That hasn’t happened in five games, and in that stretch, Cunningham is posting 23.2 points while shooting 50 percent from the field, 5.8 assists (largely due to one player on Detroit being able to hit a 3) and just 2.4 turnovers. He’s even knocking down over 66 percent of his midrange attempts.

This is Weaver's fault, and it was obvious.

Is weaver the one making the starting lineups?

Cade had 43 points 7 assist 3 steals 1 block 3 turnovers. I mean them are star #’s. Now let’s play the players we have that compliment his skill set. If we have them players (shooters). Lol.

There isn't an NBA PF on the team. What else is the coach supposed to do?

Weaver went all in on the corpse of Joe Harris for the free agents. Good Lord.

Weaver is bottom 5 GM in the league, maybe the worst. The team needed glue guys that were excellent shooters and could play some defense. No one thought Joe Harris has anything left in the tank.

Yeah idk if I’m used to todays game, but I’d think

Cade
Ivey or Sasser
Bojan
Ausar
Duren

Is a fine nba starting lineup. Not 4-5 shooters, depending on the day maybe cade and Ivey/Sasser aren’t hitting either. So basically do you need 4-5 shooters as starters in today’s nba? I’d think 3 would work as long as they’re close to the best in the league. I guess I’m just lost why it took so long to bench killian and stew and hell idk if he even keeps them benched

[ComboGuardCity]

-, "not to mention the 2020 draft that basically netted them Hayes, Stewart and Wiseman, a bust and two non-shooters although one can argue two busts and a non-shooter."

Oh I think the debate is long past, its 2 busts and a slow, earthbound, non-shooting big to be accurate.
That 2020 draft is a unmitigated disaster there's no sugar coat for the lost opportunity costs weve sunk into putting stock and hopes into trying to force those 3 into NBA competition.
Calling them "youth" cannot disguise the level of fail they have brought the franchise.

I still think Auser, Jalen and Jaden have a future role in winning NBA games. The afore mentioned 3 cannot be sent packing soon enough, I dont think they are even salvageable.

Most of us believed that there was a future role in winning NBA games for Stewart, Hayes, and Bey, 25 games into their second seasons.
Time will tell whether Duren's durability, Ivey's defense, and/or Ausar's offensive game still have us feeling optimistic, 25 games into the 2025 season. (I hope so!)

Not for Hayes. He was dreadful year 2.

[Mr Peanut]

It's no secret we suck, but John Hollinger has been a known Pistons hater for a while. There were tensions between him and Ed Stefanski when they were both with the Grizzlies and his disdain has extended into the Weaver era. So it's no surprise that he is piling it onto us.

The article seemed pretty accurate to me though.

Mostly factual too.

I made the sinful mistake of posting that before reading the article, but agree he was actually fairly impartial here.

[edmunder_prc]

Is weaver the one making the starting lineups?

Cade had 43 points 7 assist 3 steals 1 block 3 turnovers. I mean them are star #’s. Now let’s play the players we have that compliment his skill set. If we have them players (shooters). Lol.

There isn't an NBA PF on the team. What else is the coach supposed to do?

Weaver went all in on the corpse of Joe Harris for the free agents. Good Lord.

Weaver is bottom 5 GM in the league, maybe the worst. The team needed glue guys that were excellent shooters and could play some defense. No one thought Joe Harris has anything left in the tank.

Yeah idk if I’m used to todays game, but I’d think

Cade
Ivey or Sasser
Bojan
Ausar
Duren

Is a fine nba starting lineup. Not 4-5 shooters, depending on the day maybe cade and Ivey/Sasser aren’t hitting either. So basically do you need 4-5 shooters as starters in today’s nba? I’d think 3 would work as long as they’re close to the best in the league. I guess I’m just lost why it took so long to bench killian and stew and hell idk if he even keeps them benched

Ausar and Duren are a very tricky 4/5. Add Cade, ok. Then the 2 and 3 need both be Bojan level shooters. You need a Ray Allen, Klay Thompson level shooting from the other guys to make that work or else why not sag WAY off and make Cade work for every possession.

Watching the team, its clear that's what happens.

So where does the team get a top shooter at the 2/3 from?

[joedumars1]

There isn't an NBA PF on the team. What else is the coach supposed to do?

Weaver went all in on the corpse of Joe Harris for the free agents. Good Lord.

Weaver is bottom 5 GM in the league, maybe the worst. The team needed glue guys that were excellent shooters and could play some defense. No one thought Joe Harris has anything left in the tank.

Yeah idk if I’m used to todays game, but I’d think

Cade
Ivey or Sasser
Bojan
Ausar
Duren

Is a fine nba starting lineup. Not 4-5 shooters, depending on the day maybe cade and Ivey/Sasser aren’t hitting either. So basically do you need 4-5 shooters as starters in today’s nba? I’d think 3 would work as long as they’re close to the best in the league. I guess I’m just lost why it took so long to bench killian and stew and hell idk if he even keeps them benched

Ausar and Duren are a very tricky 4/5. Add Cade, ok. Then the 2 and 3 need both be Bojan level shooters. You need a Ray Allen, Klay Thompson level shooting from the other guys to make that work or else why not sag WAY off and make Cade work for every possession.

Watching the team, its clear that's what happens.

So where does the team get a top shooter at the 2/3 from?

I’m not sure lol. I hope they do.

[DBC10]

There isn't an NBA PF on the team. What else is the coach supposed to do?

Weaver went all in on the corpse of Joe Harris for the free agents. Good Lord.

Weaver is bottom 5 GM in the league, maybe the worst. The team needed glue guys that were excellent shooters and could play some defense. No one thought Joe Harris has anything left in the tank.

Yeah idk if I’m used to todays game, but I’d think

Cade
Ivey or Sasser
Bojan
Ausar
Duren

Is a fine nba starting lineup. Not 4-5 shooters, depending on the day maybe cade and Ivey/Sasser aren’t hitting either. So basically do you need 4-5 shooters as starters in today’s nba? I’d think 3 would work as long as they’re close to the best in the league. I guess I’m just lost why it took so long to bench killian and stew and hell idk if he even keeps them benched

Ausar and Duren are a very tricky 4/5. Add Cade, ok. Then the 2 and 3 need both be Bojan level shooters. You need a Ray Allen, Klay Thompson level shooting from the other guys to make that work or else why not sag WAY off and make Cade work for every possession.

Watching the team, its clear that's what happens.

So where does the team get a top shooter at the 2/3 from?

Well I don't believe the dichotomy is necessarily having a great shooter from 2/3 or bust. We'd need shooting at all positional levels in order to be relevant in this league. So that means one (or two) of Ausar and Duren need to be able to develop some sort of corner 3 ala PJ Tucker level to at least keep pressures off and alleviate any kick out opportunities generated from guard play AND having adequate shooting from 1 to 3

Look at all the top performing teams today, they all have some sort of shooting at their frontcourt and above. Sixers, Celtics, Bucks in the East, and pretty much the top 5 teams in the West all have some sort of pressure valve to give spacing from 1 to 5