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OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!!

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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#61 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:33 pm

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MotownMadness wrote:Dan Gamble


I know its his coaching style and gotta take the bad with the good but man a FG there with the momentum with the 49ers on the road would of made sense to me.


Some of the most bone headed coaching decisions I have ever seen. I told everyone at the party that Dan Gamble would go for it and fail while he did both times I predicted it. He single handledly gambled the season away. I had hoped he would learn from his mistake in Dallas, but Gambling addicts need therapy, not more chances. Since when does a high percentage field goal supercede a low percentage 4th down try?
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#62 » by whitehops » Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:22 pm

despite all the 4th down calls, i think running the ball at the end was the biggest (worst imo) gamble. it just seemed like such a huge risk, considering if you don't get a touchdown it essentially ends the game. they could've at least rushed into the next play and not called a timeout but that's not ideal on a 4th down play with the game on the line. either way i think it was easily avoidable if they just threw the ball. the only thing i can think of is that they were trying to catch the niners off guard.

their odds still would've been slim, having to not give up a first down and then driving the field all in 60 seconds but running at the end gave them like a 0.0001% chance.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#63 » by theBigLip » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:01 pm

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buzzkilloton wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Dan Gamble


I know its his coaching style and gotta take the bad with the good but man a FG there with the momentum with the 49ers on the road would of made sense to me.


Some of the most bone headed coaching decisions I have ever seen. I told everyone at the party that Dan Gamble would go for it and fail while he did both times I predicted it. He single handledly gambled the season away. I had hoped he would learn from his mistake in Dallas, but Gambling addicts need therapy, not more chances. Since when does a high percentage field goal supercede a low percentage 4th down try?


I don’t think that is accurate at all. There are multiple articles out there that show the analytics were pretty much 50/50. And we don’t have a good kicker either.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#64 » by 7r5ur » Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:04 pm

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I know its his coaching style and gotta take the bad with the good but man a FG there with the momentum with the 49ers on the road would of made sense to me.


Some of the most bone headed coaching decisions I have ever seen. I told everyone at the party that Dan Gamble would go for it and fail while he did both times I predicted it. He single handledly gambled the season away. I had hoped he would learn from his mistake in Dallas, but Gambling addicts need therapy, not more chances. Since when does a high percentage field goal supercede a low percentage 4th down try?


I don’t think that is accurate at all. There are multiple articles out there that show the analytics were pretty much 50/50. And we don’t have a good kicker either.

Yeah, people don't seem to understand that the percentages are much closer than they think, especially when you factor in the shaky kicker and a very good offense. But I get it, most coaches would rather let the kicker take the blame if they miss than be the coach that gets 2nd guessed, so usually we see teams kick it in that situation. Even if the numbers don't really say that kicking it is the safe-bet people think it is.

I also think you look at what that Niners offense was doing to our defense in the 2nd half and you realize you're going to HAVE to out-gun them. Gotta make plays to win and they didn't. Simple as that.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#65 » by joedumars1 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:37 pm

Yeah I can’t blame dc, but you can josh Reynolds for not making the play. I did want to to try a fg on one of them 4ths tho, I can’t remember what one.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#66 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:30 am

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I know its his coaching style and gotta take the bad with the good but man a FG there with the momentum with the 49ers on the road would of made sense to me.


Some of the most bone headed coaching decisions I have ever seen. I told everyone at the party that Dan Gamble would go for it and fail while he did both times I predicted it. He single handledly gambled the season away. I had hoped he would learn from his mistake in Dallas, but Gambling addicts need therapy, not more chances. Since when does a high percentage field goal supercede a low percentage 4th down try?


I don’t think that is accurate at all. There are multiple articles out there that show the analytics were pretty much 50/50. And we don’t have a good kicker either.


There were two chances that could have left regulation in a tie and Dan Gambled on both. He is probably horrid in poker as well.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#67 » by buzzkilloton » Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:32 am

Its not about 50/50 it was about momentum. We had absolutely zero things going for us. Take the easiest path to tying the game at that point and a fg(77% at 40-49 yds) was that. If your offense is playing great then be aggressive. It was painfully obv we needed to get any points on the board we could at that point.

Also as far as “we only got there cause of calls like this”. We were a better team at home vs the rams and bucs favored to win both games. We were by far the most talented team in our division. We had easiest road possible to the nfc championship. This team wasnt just some lucky fake punts and 4th down smoke and mirrors. We were a stacked contender favored to make it that far with the road we had in front of us.

Campbell is probably the best lions coach ever but thats not saying much at all. Hes a players coach and a good motivator. That said he still has alot to learn on how to game manage. He can still get better its not like hes already mastered being a head coach in a few seasons. If he doesnt get better then we will have someone else take over a stacked roster in the coming seasons.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#68 » by buzzkilloton » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:59 am

Also for those who only believe analytics and numbers and not in things like momentum George Kittle can tell you about it. Gotta take the easiest path to the tie and hope it slows their momentum and your defense can make a stop or you can score after they do.

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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#69 » by theBigLip » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:49 am

buzzkilloton wrote:Also for those who only believe analytics and numbers and not in things like momentum George Kittle can tell you about it. Gotta take the easiest path to the tie and hope it slows their momentum and your defense can make a stop or you can score after they do.

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I was at the game. And it will sound crazy, but the Journey halftime show fired up the crowd and helped get the 49ers going. It was a pretty dead crowd before that.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#70 » by Kalamazoo317 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:10 pm

If we'd missed the field goal, what would it have done for momentum? If we'd made any of the fourth down conversions, what would it have done for momentum? When we tied the game to get it within 3, did we suddenly have momentum? (We didn't). You want momentum, you have to execute. The decision to go on fourth or not is just low hanging fruit for arm chair QBs to nitpick. Our lack of execution in the second half combined with San Fran suddenly playing a lot better made all the difference.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#71 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:03 am

Kalamazoo317 wrote:If we'd missed the field goal, what would it have done for momentum? If we'd made any of the fourth down conversions, what would it have done for momentum? When we tied the game to get it within 3, did we suddenly have momentum? (We didn't). You want momentum, you have to execute. The decision to go on fourth or not is just low hanging fruit for arm chair QBs to nitpick. Our lack of execution in the second half combined with San Fran suddenly playing a lot better made all the difference.


2 4th down Gambles when I am sure the kicker could have made at least 1 of 2. Some people are just addicted to Gambling. They need to learn the hard way. Hopefully, Dan Gamble gets some therapy.
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Re: OT: Bucs @ Lions Playoffs!! 

Post#72 » by Kalamazoo317 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 7:16 pm

If we'd made one of the two field goals, we still would've lost, and folks would've questioned why he went for it on 4th down all year in those situations and bailed on his philosophy in the big moment. (I know +3 points would've tied things in the final score, but it would've changed the whole game flow and the way San Fran moved the ball on us in the second I 100% believe they would've gotten more points if they'd needed them).

We lost because our offense and defense didn't execute in the second half, not because our coach followed the same philosophies that he followed all season and that brought us to that point.

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