BDM22 wrote:zeebneeb wrote:BDM22 wrote:I think he'll use Gores' proven deep pockets as leverage to improve his contract/power in Minny and re-up with them.
We are going to find out a bunch on Monday. Bucks are out. Perfect time to work through Horst deal publicly. If we don't hear anything at all, someone else is in play.
If it's anyone but Conelly or Horst, Pistons are dead meat.
We all know how critical this hire is. If Gores screws it up, prepare for 5 more years of pain. New York guy hired, pain. Random from New Orleans, pain. Casey, pain, bathed in fire.
Conelly or Horst for me. Otherwise, barring some kind of miracle, hiatus.
Horst is pain too. Without Giannis and Middleton (whom he inherited), the team he has "built" in Milwaukee would be total trash and is in a terrible position because Dame, Lopez, and Middleton are all in the downswing of their careers and on inflated contracts which have them with no flexibility.
Even Weaver has a better draft record. Virtually no home-grown talent of any regard from the 7 years Horst has had the job. Not sure why people think he has any track record that would indicate he can re-build a team out of the cellar. Seems like he's trash at picking coaches too. Unless he's going to magically bring Giannis with him, I don't see the appeal.
And since Connelly is very likely to return, I think we need to brace for more pain. Gonna get some random dude Arn Tellem worked with at some point.
I don't think you can separate the job Horst has done from Giannis and Middleton, because basically all of the moves he has made are
because of Giannis and Middleton and without players of their caliber on the roster it would have definitely altered his team building approach. The lack of flexibility comes with being a team that is being built for championship contention - you would tend to have more players on higher salaries and signed longer term because they are naturally better, and you're more likely to have traded your future picks to add extra win-now talent around what you have.
And it's been said in other threads but it's hard to judge Horst's drafting as we only have data from mostly late first round picks or second rounders where your chances of finding a rotation level talent is much lower.
And reports out of Minnesota would also suggest the coaching debacle shouldn't be attributed to him. Giannis made the push for Adrian Griffin and then ownership made the push for Doc Rivers. Horst actually wanted Kenny Atkinson.
I'm not saying all of this because I support Horst or believe he's best for the job. I'm saying that the only GM style of his we have been able to observe is championship team building and we don't have a comparison for how he will perform in a role such as the Pistons where he is trying to build a collection of young talents that fit together and draft in the early to mid lottery. The simple (and boring) answer is we don't know how he will do.