Pistons coaching odds and general discussion

[Sheeeeed]

Like I said, Sweeney was 39 when the Bucks' had a head coach opening. How old he was during his assistant coach tenure there is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make about age.

Mazzula interviewed with Utah before they hired Hardy. Also Boston promoted Mazzula from within, which means they were obviously impressed with him enough as an assistant to feel good about removing the "interim" tag from him and move forward with him being their head coach. So I'm failing to see your point here. Milwaukee neglected to show interest in Sweeney as a head coach, twice.

Age is realitive to experience dude. Age matters in alot of ways when it comes to sports.

I don't remember Mazzula interviewing with the Jazz, but using the logic here not getting an interview or getting interview means something. Does that mean Hardy is a better coach than Mazzula since he got the Jazz job?

You are saying that guys in their early 30's rarely get the opportunity to be a head coach. To which I provided a list of 6 current coaches in their 30's. Sweeney was 39 when he could have interviewed for the Bucks' job. He was not in his early 30's at that time, so the point about age you are trying to make is not valid.

Mazzula was not a former Jazz assistant coach, so how is that relevant to discussing why or why not the Bucks weren't interested in Sweeney? Its not a similar situation.

Only 2 guys you listed aren't in their late 30s my guy, so I don't see how you're disproving me by moving goal posts.

I've also stated why Sweeney probably didn't interview with Bucks besides age. The Bucks aren't looking to bring in assistants from the past like Charles Lee. Lee was the favorite for that Bucks job until he wasn't.

Talking about Mazzula is relevant because thats the kind of logic you're using here. You're being dismissive of someone because they didn't get an interview with the Bucks. How do you even know he wanted to interview or felt ready to be a head coach. He was just an assistant on a NBA finals team. Now might make sense.

[thesack12]

Age is realitive to experience dude. Age matters in alot of ways when it comes to sports.

I don't remember Mazzula interviewing with the Jazz, but using the logic here not getting an interview or getting interview means something. Does that mean Hardy is a better coach than Mazzula since he got the Jazz job?

You are saying that guys in their early 30's rarely get the opportunity to be a head coach. To which I provided a list of 6 current coaches in their 30's. Sweeney was 39 when he could have interviewed for the Bucks' job. He was not in his early 30's at that time, so the point about age you are trying to make is not valid.

Mazzula was not a former Jazz assistant coach, so how is that relevant to discussing why or why not the Bucks weren't interested in Sweeney? Its not a similar situation.

Only 2 guys you listed aren't in their late 30s my guy, so I don't see how you're disproving me by moving goal posts.

I've also stated why Sweeney probably didn't interview with Bucks besides age. The Bucks aren't looking to bring in assistants from the past like Charles Lee. Lee was the favorite for that Bucks job until he wasn't.

Talking about Mazzula is relevant because thats the kind of logic you're using here. You're being dismissive of someone because they didn't get an interview with the Bucks. How do you even know he wanted to interview or felt ready to be a head coach. He was just an assistant on a NBA finals team. Now might make sense.

You are saying Sweeney didn't get an interview partly because he was in his early 30's , when in fact he was 39 when the Bucks had their coach opening. You are talking around your intended points. So who is moving the goal posts here?

No, I'm dismissive of Sweeney for getting an interview from the Bucks. He was there 4 years, and apparently Giannis liked him. Milwaukee is very aware on who Sweeney is and what he can bring to the table and they weren't interested in him. Mazzula not getting an interview with the Bucks, or not getting the Jazz job is 100% irrelevant to my point. Mazzula never previously coached for either Milwaukee or Utah.

So, you are saying a guy who has never been a head coach is going to decline an interview for a head coaching job? That doesn't make much sense, if anything that guy would take the interview to build his profile, gain more connections, and also gain familiarity on the interview process and use that for the future. Besides, Sweeney was never mentioned as being a candidate, therefore I think its pretty safe to say that Milwaukee never reached out asking him for an interview.

Anywho, I'm over the Sean Sweeney discussion for now.

[Sheeeeed]

You are saying that guys in their early 30's rarely get the opportunity to be a head coach. To which I provided a list of 6 current coaches in their 30's. Sweeney was 39 when he could have interviewed for the Bucks' job. He was not in his early 30's at that time, so the point about age you are trying to make is not valid.

Mazzula was not a former Jazz assistant coach, so how is that relevant to discussing why or why not the Bucks weren't interested in Sweeney? Its not a similar situation.

Only 2 guys you listed aren't in their late 30s my guy, so I don't see how you're disproving me by moving goal posts.

I've also stated why Sweeney probably didn't interview with Bucks besides age. The Bucks aren't looking to bring in assistants from the past like Charles Lee. Lee was the favorite for that Bucks job until he wasn't.

Talking about Mazzula is relevant because thats the kind of logic you're using here. You're being dismissive of someone because they didn't get an interview with the Bucks. How do you even know he wanted to interview or felt ready to be a head coach. He was just an assistant on a NBA finals team. Now might make sense.

You are saying Sweeney didn't get an interview partly because he was in his early 30's , when in fact he was 39 when the Bucks had their coach opening. You are talking around your intended points. So who is moving the goal posts here?

No, I'm dismissive of Sweeney for getting an interview from the Bucks. He was there 4 years, and apparently Giannis liked him. Milwaukee is very aware on who Sweeney is and what he can bring to the table and they weren't interested in him. Mazzula not getting an interview with the Bucks, or not getting the Jazz job is 100% irrelevant to my point. Mazzula never previously coached for either Milwaukee or Utah.

So, you are saying a guy who has never been a head coach is going to decline an interview for a head coaching job? That doesn't make much sense, if anything that guy would take the interview to build his profile, gain more connections, and also gain familiarity on the interview process and use that for the future. Besides, Sweeney was never mentioned as being a candidate, therefore I think its pretty safe to say that Milwaukee never reached out asking him for an interview.

Anywho, I'm over the Sean Sweeney discussion for now.

Clearly you're more on a high level than me.

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[7r5ur]

Like I said, Sweeney was 39 when the Bucks' had a head coach opening. How old he was during his assistant coach tenure there is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make about age.

Mazzula interviewed with Utah before they hired Hardy. Also Boston promoted Mazzula from within, which means they were obviously impressed with him enough as an assistant to feel good about removing the "interim" tag from him and move forward with him being their head coach. So I'm failing to see your point here. Milwaukee neglected to show interest in Sweeney as a head coach, twice.

I would probably consider that a positive given that they chose 2 bad coaches instead. Also traded Jrue and let the Celtics get him for cheap. Seems they have poor judgement.

Clearly the Bucks are a veteran team and they wanted an older coach. Griff is basically 50 and Doc is 62 and has been all over. Sweeney's only a few years older than Brook Lopez. I think they aimed for older guys very intentionally.

[thesack12]

Like I said, Sweeney was 39 when the Bucks' had a head coach opening. How old he was during his assistant coach tenure there is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make about age.

Mazzula interviewed with Utah before they hired Hardy. Also Boston promoted Mazzula from within, which means they were obviously impressed with him enough as an assistant to feel good about removing the "interim" tag from him and move forward with him being their head coach. So I'm failing to see your point here. Milwaukee neglected to show interest in Sweeney as a head coach, twice.

I would probably consider that a positive given that they chose 2 bad coaches instead. Also traded Jrue and let the Celtics get him for cheap. Seems they have poor judgement.

Clearly the Bucks are a veteran team and they wanted an older coach. Griff is basically 50 and Doc is 62 and has been all over. Sweeney's only a few years older than Brook Lopez.

Eh, Griffin was 1st time head coach so citing his age is a bit misleading.

I also think pivoting to Doc midseason was kind of an over-correction. They went from zero experience to one of the most experienced guys around. Also, being that it was midseason they didn't have too many options for a replacement and certainly couldn't perform a proper coaching search.

[7r5ur]

Like I said, Sweeney was 39 when the Bucks' had a head coach opening. How old he was during his assistant coach tenure there is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make about age.

Mazzula interviewed with Utah before they hired Hardy. Also Boston promoted Mazzula from within, which means they were obviously impressed with him enough as an assistant to feel good about removing the "interim" tag from him and move forward with him being their head coach. So I'm failing to see your point here. Milwaukee neglected to show interest in Sweeney as a head coach, twice.

I would probably consider that a positive given that they chose 2 bad coaches instead. Also traded Jrue and let the Celtics get him for cheap. Seems they have poor judgement.

Clearly the Bucks are a veteran team and they wanted an older coach. Griff is basically 50 and Doc is 62 and has been all over. Sweeney's only a few years older than Brook Lopez.

Eh, Griffin was 1st time head coach so citing his age is a bit misleading.

I also think pivoting to Doc midseason was kind of an over-correction. They went from zero experience to one of the most experienced guys around. Also, being that it was midseason they didn't have too many options for a replacement and certainly couldn't perform a proper coaching search.

Age is still definitely a factor when you have an old team. Will older players (many of whom have won together) respect a guy that young who didn't play in the league? It's certainly debatable, I would assume that played a role in who they considered. Griffin had 10 years of assistant gigs in front of him before getting the top job still when he was Sweeney's age.

[thesack12]

I would probably consider that a positive given that they chose 2 bad coaches instead. Also traded Jrue and let the Celtics get him for cheap. Seems they have poor judgement.

Clearly the Bucks are a veteran team and they wanted an older coach. Griff is basically 50 and Doc is 62 and has been all over. Sweeney's only a few years older than Brook Lopez.

Eh, Griffin was 1st time head coach so citing his age is a bit misleading.

I also think pivoting to Doc midseason was kind of an over-correction. They went from zero experience to one of the most experienced guys around. Also, being that it was midseason they didn't have too many options for a replacement and certainly couldn't perform a proper coaching search.

Age is still definitely a factor when you have an old team. Will older players (many of whom have won together) respect a guy that young who didn't play in the league? It's certainly debatable, I would assume that played a role in who they considered. Griffin had 10 years of assistant gigs in front of him before getting the top job still when he was Sweeney's age.

Yeah I think its safe to say that as far as 1st time head coaches go, former players would inherently be more respected initially. But that's a different question than what we were discussing.

Sweeney had 10 years of assistant coaching experience by the time, Milwaukee could have brought him in for an interview. Its not like he was wet behind the ears. And as far as age goes, seeing as how 20% of current NBA head coaches are in their 30's that signifies that the league is shifting towards a youth movement in the coaching ranks. A big factor in that is probably because all these retreads tend to be up there in years which makes it more challenging to connect with this generation of young people.

Whether the Bucks themselves are buying into that youth movement is up to interpretation. Them now having Doc at the helm surely makes it seem like they aren't. However, we don't know that age/experience was the primary trait they were looking for, its just speculation by connecting the dots.