Woj: Fontecchio 2/16

[tradez401]

not sure if davis bertans is signed anywhere but we should look into bringing him here.

End of bench shooter and wouldn't object if the price is right but we need a back up big with real size

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trade for bobby portis hes a legit 6'11 that can stretch the floor.

[Pharaoh]

Cade + Ivey + Ausar + Stew + Duren stay the same.

I expect Sasser to play more consistently next year, Monty Williams I think jerked him around a bit last year also.

If we're healthy I can't see Sasser playing much.

Cade, THJ, Ivey, Beasley means Sasser is 5th guard at best.

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[Pharaoh]

not sure if davis bertans is signed anywhere but we should look into bringing him here.

End of bench shooter and wouldn't object if the price is right but we need a back up big with real size

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trade for bobby portis hes a legit 6'11 that can stretch the floor.

What do you propose? Bucks unlikely to give him away considering Lopez is aging

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[bstein14]

End of bench shooter and wouldn't object if the price is right but we need a back up big with real size

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trade for bobby portis hes a legit 6'11 that can stretch the floor.

What do you propose? Bucks unlikely to give him away considering Lopez is aging

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Bobby is on a cheaper deal and he is a lot younger than Lopez. If anything, they have been rumored for a while now to be considering moving on from Lopez to help their 2nd apron situation. Last season was his lowest PPG of his career and it will likely dip again this season. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he only has 1 to 2 years left before retirement. Nearly 1000 career starts and 31,000 minutes played he's got a lot of miles on him in his career.

[tradez401]

End of bench shooter and wouldn't object if the price is right but we need a back up big with real size

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trade for bobby portis hes a legit 6'11 that can stretch the floor.

What do you propose? Bucks unlikely to give him away considering Lopez is aging

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thats for langdon to figure out lol.

[Pharaoh]

trade for bobby portis hes a legit 6'11 that can stretch the floor.

What do you propose? Bucks unlikely to give him away considering Lopez is aging

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thats for langdon to figure out lol.

Lol

More likely to get Lopez but I don't know if they'd take Ivey for him

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[Cowology]

trade for bobby portis hes a legit 6'11 that can stretch the floor.

What do you propose? Bucks unlikely to give him away considering Lopez is aging

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Bobby is on a cheaper deal and he is a lot younger than Lopez. If anything, they have been rumored for a while now to be considering moving on from Lopez to help their 2nd apron situation. Last season was his lowest PPG of his career and it will likely dip again this season. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he only has 1 to 2 years left before retirement. Nearly 1000 career starts and 31,000 minutes played he's got a lot of miles on him in his career.

Lopez is one of these dudes who *could* play into his early 40's with a reduced role. He's got size & can shoot. Somebody will be happy to Haslem up with him well past his practical usefullness. As long as his knees hold.

Regardless, yeah I could see Mil wanting to shed that salary. The apron is gonna squeeze lots of folks.

[Snakebites]

What do you propose? Bucks unlikely to give him away considering Lopez is aging

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Bobby is on a cheaper deal and he is a lot younger than Lopez. If anything, they have been rumored for a while now to be considering moving on from Lopez to help their 2nd apron situation. Last season was his lowest PPG of his career and it will likely dip again this season. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he only has 1 to 2 years left before retirement. Nearly 1000 career starts and 31,000 minutes played he's got a lot of miles on him in his career.

Lopez is one of these dudes who *could* play into his early 40's with a reduced role. He's got size & can shoot. Somebody will be happy to Haslem up with him well past his practical usefullness. As long as his knees hold.

Regardless, yeah I could see Mil wanting to shed that salary. The apron is gonna squeeze lots of folks.

They could be, but for now at least they still view him (or are hoping some other team views him) as positive value at that salary.

They are currently asking for a first. I don’t see anyone giving them one, but he’s still a stretch big who can defend. Even at 36 that’s rare.

[7r5ur]

Yeah I was expecting somewhere between 8-12 mil per year, we got him on the cheap side.

People who are shocked are not paying attention how the new CBA work. How many teams can spend the 12 mil MLE this season?

The top players are still getting paid, mid level players are the ones suffering with the new CBA.

You only needed one. Simone would have fit well on basically every team out there. I think the restricted free agency is what hurt him in the end. Teams know that Detroit was going to match so he probably didn't get a lot of real consideration.

Just wish it was 3-4 years.

[aad]

Good signing

[NYPiston]

This is Langdon's first good move of the offseason IMO. Nice number although I would have preferred a little more term but solid signing either way, Tech is arguably their only two way player outside of Stewart depending on what one thinks of his offense.

[bstein14]

Bobby is on a cheaper deal and he is a lot younger than Lopez. If anything, they have been rumored for a while now to be considering moving on from Lopez to help their 2nd apron situation. Last season was his lowest PPG of his career and it will likely dip again this season. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he only has 1 to 2 years left before retirement. Nearly 1000 career starts and 31,000 minutes played he's got a lot of miles on him in his career.

Lopez is one of these dudes who *could* play into his early 40's with a reduced role. He's got size & can shoot. Somebody will be happy to Haslem up with him well past his practical usefullness. As long as his knees hold.

Regardless, yeah I could see Mil wanting to shed that salary. The apron is gonna squeeze lots of folks.

They could be, but for now at least they still view him (or are hoping some other team views him) as positive value at that salary.

They are currently asking for a first. I don’t see anyone giving them one, but he’s still a stretch big who can defend. Even at 36 that’s rare.

Small Market Bucks current salary in 2nd apron only able to sign minimum contracts with Lopez.

If they traded Brook Lopez for nothing, they'd save not only his $23 million contract for this season but likely also an extra $45+ million in luxury tax payments they are making. On top of that right now if they stay in the 2nd apron I believe their 2032 first round picks gets frozen and can't be traded. If they stay in the 2nd apron that pick gets moved to the back of the 1st round. Being in the 2nd apron also prevents them from being able to trade two players together in a trade.

Two years ago in the 22-23 season Brook Lopez was great he was all defense and scored 15 efficient points per game. Last year he took a noticeable step back in defense, scoring and scoring efficiency, rebounding rate, etc.... and now at age 36 it isn't unlikely for him to take another step back back which could/should have the Bucks strongly considering moving on from him if they right deal comes along. Also when you consider the fact its entirely possible he simply retires after this season. Not many players play into their age 38 season in this league especially centers. Al Horford is the only big man older than him in the league right now and there is only a handful of actual rotation worthy players ahead of him in total (LeBron, CP3, Horford, Conley and Steph).

[7r5ur]

Trading anyone that has any kind of potential long-term value for a dude who is going to be 37 next year and absolutely will not re-sign here is not it.

Don't have to solve every flaw with the team in one offseason. Just have to get better, and that has already happened. Bring in a vet minimum insurance center that can just play solid defense, and focus on extracting value out of the remaining cap space. It's fine to wait for the right situation to make the move on a rim protecting center.

If a great consolidation trade comes along, go for it, but there's no reason to hand out Duren/Ivey/Ausar/Stew/etc for some desperate scramble to get from 25 wins to 28 for one year. Having Brook Lopez as a band-aid for one season in the twilight of his career isn't going to be worth it.

[bstein14]

Trading anyone that has any kind of potential long-term value for a dude who is going to be 37 next year and absolutely will not re-sign here is not it.

Don't have to solve every flaw with the team in one offseason. Just have to get better, and that has already happened. Bring in a vet minimum insurance center that can just play solid defense, and focus on extracting value out of the remaining cap space.

If a great consolidation trade comes along, go for it, but there's no reason to hand out Duren/Ivey/Ausar/etc for some desperate scramble to get from 25 wins to 28. Having Brook Lopez as a band-aid for one season in the twilight of his career isn't going to be worth it.

It just depends on what else is out there for us. I'd rather sign Tyus Jones, or even a combination of two other solid remaining FAs... such as Paul Reed and Highsmith to the right type of deals. That said, trading Wendell Moore Jr for Brook Lopez straight up with no picks involved is still likely a much better outcome for us than something like absorbing a trash player who makes $20 million for 2 2nd rounders.

[7r5ur]

Trading anyone that has any kind of potential long-term value for a dude who is going to be 37 next year and absolutely will not re-sign here is not it.

Don't have to solve every flaw with the team in one offseason. Just have to get better, and that has already happened. Bring in a vet minimum insurance center that can just play solid defense, and focus on extracting value out of the remaining cap space.

If a great consolidation trade comes along, go for it, but there's no reason to hand out Duren/Ivey/Ausar/etc for some desperate scramble to get from 25 wins to 28. Having Brook Lopez as a band-aid for one season in the twilight of his career isn't going to be worth it.

It just depends on what else is out there for us. I'd rather sign Tyus Jones, or even a combination of two other solid remaining FAs... such as Paul Reed and Highsmith to the right type of deals. That said, trading Wendell Moore Jr for Brook Lopez straight up with no picks involved is still likely a much better outcome for us than something like absorbing a trash player who makes $20 million for 2 2nd rounders.

I mean, yeah, if you can trade for him and give up nothing of notable value (cap and a 2nd or whatever), have at it. I find it hard to imagine Giannis signs that extension and the Bucks look to get that much worse.

Seems like the asking price of a 1st round pick is Milwaukee basically saying "you're gonna have to overpay for him".