Bravo Langdon… Bravo!!!

[theBigLip]

I think I'd rate his overall offseason as "fine". He made attempts to address some key issues and brought in players with skills we need. He didn't do anything groundbreaking though.

Given where the bar was set last offseason (where we decided to make virtually no improvements on a 17 win team) it looks spectacular.

Agreed w your assessment. Not sure if we even should be trying to do a groundbreaking move yet. That would probably involve trading a bunch of our young guys to get a win-now vet.

[7r5ur]

We would have been better off overall if Weaver got fired sometime before the trade deadline and then we might have actually had a chance to have TL in for the draft combine process representing Detroit instead of with the Pelicans.

Fontecchio is arguably our 2nd best player and Weaver stole him from Utah at the deadline, so I'm fine with how that went down

[7r5ur]

I'm in the "fine" camp as well. He has made more moves that I like (Tobias, Fontecchio contract, Reed, Holland), than moves I'm neutral/iffy on (Beasley), and of course the one that I think was really bad (Grimes for THJ).

As has been said, the bar was very low, so this looks like a great offseason by comparison. It's not over though. He still could mess this up or make it look a lot better.

[Drwho17]

I would say the Paul Reed move puts him over the tap, solid 6.5 out of 10 offseason, I just hope it is done. I keep hearing these rumors abound regarding the Pistons shipping out Duren and Ivey here and there for cap dumps. The Number one goal as far as I see it, is to be disciplined and stay away from the quick fix at the expense of the long term, I think he's done that so far, short term deals on mostly good value for playable pieces that will help restore some competency to the team.

[Kalamazoo317]

Too much smoke around this Ingram stuff for it to be nothing. I'm withholding a grade until Ingram is traded somewhere.

[mattao313]

Too much smoke around this Ingram stuff for it to be nothing. I'm withholding a grade until Ingram is traded somewhere.

If we traded for him it may actually make the grade go down for me. Good player and hard not to like the idea of a jumbo forward but he'll end up getting a lavine type deal and has a long injury history.

Also we'd be locked into two volume mid range jump shooters.

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[zeebneeb]

Too much smoke around this Ingram stuff for it to be nothing. I'm withholding a grade until Ingram is traded somewhere.

If the Pistons trade for Ingram, I instantly don't like the fit. Now it obviously could work, but I complained about the fit between Cade/Ivey before the draft as well. Its one of the few things I have gotten right.

Cade works out of the mid-range. He is excellent at it, and towards the end of last season, he became a beast in that area whether it was taking and making shots, or making the pass. The issue is, Ingram also operates in the mid-range, even more then Cade. This is not a good idea, to have two mid-range guys, operating together. In the paint (non-restricted area) they also took almost the same amount of shots. Brutal.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?CF=Mid-Range%20FGA*GE*100&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&PerMode=Totals&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=In%20The%20Paint%20(Non-RA)%20FGA

Now, time of possession is a little better. Cade was 6th in the league in TOP, (7.0) whilst Ingram was 26th(4.3) So it could work on that front. Touches were closer (Cade 80 vs Ingram 64.6)



If a trade is made, its going to entirely depend on what is given up. If its Ivey/Stewart, I don't like it. If it means giving Ingram a max contract, I don't like it.

I would much rather the team focus on a player that plays to strengths, rather then invade those strengths.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm on the fence. Cade and Ingram both are three level scorers, in theory. They'd both have to play that way and Ingram would have to live up to his potential on defense for it to be worth it.

[kellmellus50]

I would say the Paul Reed move puts him over the tap, solid 6.5 out of 10 offseason, I just hope it is done. I keep hearing these rumors abound regarding the Pistons shipping out Duren and Ivey here and there for cap dumps. The Number one goal as far as I see it, is to be disciplined and stay away from the quick fix at the expense of the long term, I think he's done that so far, short term deals on mostly good value for playable pieces that will help restore some competency to the team.

Need to make a correction it's a solid 10 out 10 for the off season and i'm going to put in a bet that the Pistons make the playoffs.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

I would say the Paul Reed move puts him over the tap, solid 6.5 out of 10 offseason, I just hope it is done. I keep hearing these rumors abound regarding the Pistons shipping out Duren and Ivey here and there for cap dumps. The Number one goal as far as I see it, is to be disciplined and stay away from the quick fix at the expense of the long term, I think he's done that so far, short term deals on mostly good value for playable pieces that will help restore some competency to the team.

Need to make a correction it's a solid 10 out 10 for the off season and i'm going to put in a bet that the Pistons make the playoffs.

Then they better get Ingram AND Lauri

[Lyonfan1]

I would say the Paul Reed move puts him over the tap, solid 6.5 out of 10 offseason, I just hope it is done. I keep hearing these rumors abound regarding the Pistons shipping out Duren and Ivey here and there for cap dumps. The Number one goal as far as I see it, is to be disciplined and stay away from the quick fix at the expense of the long term, I think he's done that so far, short term deals on mostly good value for playable pieces that will help restore some competency to the team.

Agree 1000%. Let’s see what our 22 year olds do with 4-5 NBA players on the roster around them.

Let’s not decide Durens defensive failure before age 21.

Let’s not decide whether Ivey can improve his TO by 33% AGAIN, and improve on D at age 22?

Let’s not ignore a front court starting rotation of Tobias, Tek, Ausar in some combo as pretty solid.

Enough with the Cade **** boys. He’s a stud…. Waiting a year for what? Let’s say Cade busts. By avoiding his max contract- we sign a 34 year old Paul George instead? Wait he wasn’t coming here. Another draft lottery? Well we aren’t likely to get #1. He’s played 75% of the games in 2 of 3 seasons.

Maxey 25, 6, and 3

I bet Cade is 24, 7 and 6 this year.

[Lyonfan1]

Duren- will be just 21 and now has a coach that will help him focus on D…. Last year was a free for all…. His defensive rating of 115 wasn’t great- but again he’s only 20! Take a look what Claxton did at age 22’ in year “3”- his defensive rating wasn’t great, his production was paltry, and then by age 24 he was a DPOY candidate. Duren jumped from 61% to 79% yoy with free throws. That’s HUGE-

I feel the same about Stew and Ivey- they are still kids.

There is no reason to give away young, talented and productive guys with “some warts” to bring on more mid 20’s middle of the road “just a guys”.

If the worst team in the league… with one star on a long term deal- can’t find minutes for a Stew or an Ivey- why would any other team want them?