Do we have any negative contracts?

[Billl]

Stew is overpaid, but not so much that he’s a negative contract. He’s a rotation big on a good team. He’s also very young and has shown the willingness to put in the work to improve.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

But lots of backup centers are on four year, $60 million deals!

Wait a minute……

He's somewhat overpaid for this team; Weaver doubtless paid him on the idiot notion that he'd be able to play effectively at power forward in addition to center, and that (even dumber) he might be able to be a respectable starter there.

That said, keep in mind that the only important number is percentage of the cap (rather than absolute number). By the time next summer rolls around, Stew's contract will be only about 10% of the cap.

The Stewart contract was Weaver’s ego trying to soften the blow of his disastrous 2020 draft. We signed a role player to a four year deal a year early! I remember the presser talking about leadership, blah blah blah - we won 14 games last year - is he captain of the Titanic?

The sign of a bad contract is when you justify it by saying “In year ____ it will look good!”

[Laimbeer]

THJr for sure. Tobias yep. Stew is seen league wide as a good rotation player, not a backup center. I don't believe Reed is guaranteed, so I guess he isn't negative?

[bstein14]

THJr for sure. Tobias yep. Stew is seen league wide as a good rotation player, not a backup center. I don't believe Reed is guaranteed, so I guess he isn't negative?

Yeah, Reed could be let go at any time. He isn't someone you'd have to give up assets to clear off the books so in that regard he is surely not negative.

Coming off a 14 win season combined with Stew's assault charges(that got dropped) on Eubanks I feel like his market would have been really soft this summer especially considering he would have been an RFA and we had a new GM now doesn't have the same ties to him. I could have easily seen him staying here on something like 3 years $33 million after not getting any better offers elsewhere.

Okoro and Stewart are the same age and Okoro hit from deep at 39.1% last year as a 27.3 MPG starter on a good Cavs team. I think the fact that there is seemingly little to no market for Okoro shadows what we likely would have seen for Stewart this summer.

[NYPiston]

I'd say Stew is a little overpaid for sure, but I'm not super worried about it, he definitely provides some value - unlike dead cap like Joe Harris, Noel, Killian, etc. But I will say when you look at the fact that Paul Reed was waived at 2 years, $15M total, I think it would cost a decent chunk to move Stew and his 3 years, $45M. I think he's probably closer to a $10M guy than a $15m guy, but I don't think his contract is detrimental by any means.

I don't think Stew is overpaid anymore with the exploding cap now that he's draining 3's more regularly. He's better than Paul Reed if that's your benchmark.

One can argue Cade actually because he's well overpaid for what he is currently (Maxey who is a better player is getting paid less for reference) but it won't take much for him to grow into that contract so I wouldn't say it's a negative...yet.

That's it. The Pistons have no long term commitments outside of Cade and Stew so other than the Hardaway sin-eat contract, there's nothing to even argue. Tobias perhaps but he has the numbers to justify that contract even though he's just an average at best starter and it's just 2 years so it's not really a hinderance.

[Cowology]

THJr for sure. Tobias yep. Stew is seen league wide as a good rotation player, not a backup center. I don't believe Reed is guaranteed, so I guess he isn't negative?

Yeah, Reed could be let go at any time. He isn't someone you'd have to give up assets to clear off the books so in that regard he is surely not negative.

Coming off a 14 win season combined with Stew's assault charges(that got dropped) on Eubanks I feel like his market would have been really soft this summer especially considering he would have been an RFA and we had a new GM now doesn't have the same ties to him. I could have easily seen him staying here on something like 3 years $33 million after not getting any better offers elsewhere.

Okoro and Stewart are the same age and Okoro hit from deep at 39.1% last year as a 27.3 MPG starter on a good Cavs team. I think the fact that there is seemingly little to no market for Okoro shadows what we likely would have seen for Stewart this summer.

What he'd sign for in FA is only one measure of a players "value" and that frequently has as much to do with the market as anything. We know he has value on the trade market. We could trade him at virtually any time we wanted because there are suitors out there.

On top of the bad logic, you are taking a wild guess at this 3/33 thing. It's like saying "we could have traded down for value" without knowing what "offers" actually looked like. Perspectives tend to skew pro-Piston in those scenarios, when reality is often not so kind.

[bstein14]

THJr for sure. Tobias yep. Stew is seen league wide as a good rotation player, not a backup center. I don't believe Reed is guaranteed, so I guess he isn't negative?

Yeah, Reed could be let go at any time. He isn't someone you'd have to give up assets to clear off the books so in that regard he is surely not negative.

Coming off a 14 win season combined with Stew's assault charges(that got dropped) on Eubanks I feel like his market would have been really soft this summer especially considering he would have been an RFA and we had a new GM now doesn't have the same ties to him. I could have easily seen him staying here on something like 3 years $33 million after not getting any better offers elsewhere.

Okoro and Stewart are the same age and Okoro hit from deep at 39.1% last year as a 27.3 MPG starter on a good Cavs team. I think the fact that there is seemingly little to no market for Okoro shadows what we likely would have seen for Stewart this summer.

What he'd sign for in FA is only one measure of a players "value" and that frequently has as much to do with the market as anything. We know he has value on the trade market. We could trade him at virtually any time we wanted because there are suitors out there.

On top of the bad logic, you are taking a wild guess at this 3/33 thing. It's like saying "we could have traded down for value" without knowing what "offers" actually looked like. Perspectives tend to skew pro-Piston in those scenarios, when reality is often not so kind.

You assume we could trade him at any time yet the reality is pretty unknown at this point. The truth is not many teams want to take on $$$ this year so we'd likely be getting back a lesser player making $ who has even more negative value or a player making money over a longer period of years.

Value is also often times subjective.

We traded Bey and got Wiseman(fringe NBA player but still young) who was also making a lot more money that feels like a bad trade for us.

If we would have simply taken the 5 second rounders that Atlanta was willing to give up for Bey we could have used that extra cap space to get even more second rounders (or a sign a player better than Bey) and then Bey's value would have looked a little better but since Weaver chose to take Wiseman it makes it look like his value was trash because we got trash back.

[DetroitSho]

Yeah, Reed could be let go at any time. He isn't someone you'd have to give up assets to clear off the books so in that regard he is surely not negative.

Coming off a 14 win season combined with Stew's assault charges(that got dropped) on Eubanks I feel like his market would have been really soft this summer especially considering he would have been an RFA and we had a new GM now doesn't have the same ties to him. I could have easily seen him staying here on something like 3 years $33 million after not getting any better offers elsewhere.

Okoro and Stewart are the same age and Okoro hit from deep at 39.1% last year as a 27.3 MPG starter on a good Cavs team. I think the fact that there is seemingly little to no market for Okoro shadows what we likely would have seen for Stewart this summer.

What he'd sign for in FA is only one measure of a players "value" and that frequently has as much to do with the market as anything. We know he has value on the trade market. We could trade him at virtually any time we wanted because there are suitors out there.

On top of the bad logic, you are taking a wild guess at this 3/33 thing. It's like saying "we could have traded down for value" without knowing what "offers" actually looked like. Perspectives tend to skew pro-Piston in those scenarios, when reality is often not so kind.

You assume we could trade him at any time yet the reality is pretty unknown at this point. The truth is not many teams want to take on $$$ this year so we'd likely be getting back a lesser player making $ who has even more negative value or a player making money over a longer period of years.

Value is also often times subjective.

We traded Bey and got Wiseman(fringe NBA player but still young) who was also making a lot more money that feels like a bad trade for us.

If we would have simply taken the 5 second rounders that Atlanta was willing to give up for Bey we could have used that extra cap space to get even more second rounders (or a sign a player better than Bey) and then Bey's value would have looked a little better but since Weaver chose to take Wiseman it makes it look like his value was trash because we got trash back.

Stewart is going into the 1st year of a 4 year contract. There's literally no way to trade him for somebody with more years unless that player is CLEARLY better than him because that's who would be starting 5 year contracts right now, star players.

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[tmorgan]

I can’t guarantee anything, but it sure sounds like Sacramento and New Orleans could REALLY use Stewart right now. There are probably others as well — playoff aspirations with not enough bigs on the roster.

[Crymson]

I can’t guarantee anything, but it sure sounds like Sacramento and New Orleans could REALLY use Stewart right now. There are probably others as well — playoff aspirations with not enough bigs on the roster.

The org would be looking for value in return -- almost certainly not draft picks, but actual value in the now -- and what could those teams realistically offer?