One of the biggest red flags about Trajan Langdon as our PoBO....

[DetroitSho]

No way is Holland's best case Kawhi or Butler. Bring out your assessment of Anthony Bennett's absolute best case, or the 400 others that ain't reaching that **** in the last 10 years. We need role players at some point, and we're no florida, so we're either overpaying, drafting some players that are high floor low ceiling, or staying in perpetual need. Holland's ceiling is like Eason or something, no point in waiting 5 years for that to develop lmao.

When you're talking about a player's best case scenario you're talking about probabilities that are less than 5%. Is it likely that Holland has a career in the mold of Kawhi or Butler? No. Is it possible? Yes.

You take a punt on those very small percentages if you want to raise the ceiling of your team. Role players are signed in FA, and you would only intentionally draft for them if you already had a generous amount of talent and star players already (which we don't) or you're drafting in the second round.

Remember, Jimmy Butler averaged 2.6 ppg shooting 40% from the field and 18% from three as a 22 year old rookie. At the time would anyone have predicted that at his peak he would average 23/7/7 and lead his team to two NBA Finals?

If you’re saying that there’s a greater than zero chance Holland turns into Jimmy Butler, I’d like to assign a greater than zero percent chance that Knecht turns into Larry Bird. Knecht had twenty last night - he’s cooking

You know what a seasoned veteran college player on this team would be? MARCUS SASSER!!! Knecht is good because there's multiple guys leaps and bounds better than him on the team and he only needs to do one thing. Literally, our Knecht is Malik Beasley.

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[Sheeeeed]

No point in arguing with someone that thought Stuckey was better than Harden.

[Phenomenonsense]

No point in arguing with someone that thought Stuckey was better than Harden.

Who thought Stuckey was better than Harden?

[Phenomenonsense]

When you're talking about a player's best case scenario you're talking about probabilities that are less than 5%. Is it likely that Holland has a career in the mold of Kawhi or Butler? No. Is it possible? Yes.

You take a punt on those very small percentages if you want to raise the ceiling of your team. Role players are signed in FA, and you would only intentionally draft for them if you already had a generous amount of talent and star players already (which we don't) or you're drafting in the second round.

Remember, Jimmy Butler averaged 2.6 ppg shooting 40% from the field and 18% from three as a 22 year old rookie. At the time would anyone have predicted that at his peak he would average 23/7/7 and lead his team to two NBA Finals?

If you’re saying that there’s a greater than zero chance Holland turns into Jimmy Butler, I’d like to assign a greater than zero percent chance that Knecht turns into Larry Bird. Knecht had twenty last night - he’s cooking

You know what a seasoned veteran college player on this team would be? MARCUS SASSER!!! Knecht is good because there's multiple guys leaps and bounds better than him on the team and he only needs to do one thing. Literally, our Knecht is Malik Beasley.

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Nah, Knecht is good because he has a clearly identifiable skill (shooting) and is tall enough and athletic enough to stay on the court. Holland has athleticism to the point that if he learns any identifiable skill he will be great. Big different.

[Sheeeeed]

No point in arguing with someone that thought Stuckey was better than Harden.

Who thought Stuckey was better than Harden?

Someone who's banned, and likely has alias in this thread.

[Sheeeeed]

If you’re saying that there’s a greater than zero chance Holland turns into Jimmy Butler, I’d like to assign a greater than zero percent chance that Knecht turns into Larry Bird. Knecht had twenty last night - he’s cooking

You know what a seasoned veteran college player on this team would be? MARCUS SASSER!!! Knecht is good because there's multiple guys leaps and bounds better than him on the team and he only needs to do one thing. Literally, our Knecht is Malik Beasley.

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Nah, Knecht is good because he has a clearly identifiable skill (shooting) and is tall enough and athletic enough to stay on the court. Holland has athleticism to the point that if he learns any identifiable skill he will be great. Big different.

There's your answer why one wasn't picked in the lottery and why one was a lottery pick.

High volume Doug McDermott shouldn't been a early lottery pick. Targeting role players in the lottery is how you end up with Kennard instead of Donavan Mitchell.

[DetroitSho]

No point in arguing with someone that thought Stuckey was better than Harden.

Who thought Stuckey was better than Harden?

Someone who's banned, and likely has alias in this thread.

I definitely remember that debate. Dude didn't hypothetically want Stuckey as the centerpiece of a Harden trade prior to him being traded to Houston. I just don't remember what the poster's name was.

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[TPA]

TJ is trash! His resume doesn't justify his hiring. Gores wanted someone to control the ship while he snorts dope. He wanted to keep Monty from their SA ties.

Death
Taxes
Rip32's weekly "Gores snorts dope" references.

I honestly think he's jealous at this point

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I mean, if I were a billionaire, I'd buy a basketball team and party like a rockstar too... Out. Of. Control.

[Sheeeeed]

Who thought Stuckey was better than Harden?

Someone who's banned, and likely has alias in this thread.

I definitely remember that debate. Dude didn't hypothetically want Stuckey as the centerpiece of a Harden trade prior to him being traded to Houston. I just don't remember what the poster's name was.

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FlipTSO and then Goldtop.

[Mr Peanut]

No way is Holland's best case Kawhi or Butler. Bring out your assessment of Anthony Bennett's absolute best case, or the 400 others that ain't reaching that **** in the last 10 years. We need role players at some point, and we're no florida, so we're either overpaying, drafting some players that are high floor low ceiling, or staying in perpetual need. Holland's ceiling is like Eason or something, no point in waiting 5 years for that to develop lmao.

When you're talking about a player's best case scenario you're talking about probabilities that are less than 5%. Is it likely that Holland has a career in the mold of Kawhi or Butler? No. Is it possible? Yes.

You take a punt on those very small percentages if you want to raise the ceiling of your team. Role players are signed in FA, and you would only intentionally draft for them if you already had a generous amount of talent and star players already (which we don't) or you're drafting in the second round.

Remember, Jimmy Butler averaged 2.6 ppg shooting 40% from the field and 18% from three as a 22 year old rookie. At the time would anyone have predicted that at his peak he would average 23/7/7 and lead his team to two NBA Finals?

If you’re saying that there’s a greater than zero chance Holland turns into Jimmy Butler, I’d like to assign a greater than zero percent chance that Knecht turns into Larry Bird. Knecht had twenty last night - he’s cooking

There's a significant difference between the theoretical ceiling of a 19 year old vs a 23 year old four year college player. Knecht will likely never be much better than what he is currently is, which is fine as he is already a serviceable rotation player. But he would never have raised the future ceiling of our team and would have essentially been a wasted pick for a rebuilding team.

[Phenomenonsense]

When you're talking about a player's best case scenario you're talking about probabilities that are less than 5%. Is it likely that Holland has a career in the mold of Kawhi or Butler? No. Is it possible? Yes.

You take a punt on those very small percentages if you want to raise the ceiling of your team. Role players are signed in FA, and you would only intentionally draft for them if you already had a generous amount of talent and star players already (which we don't) or you're drafting in the second round.

Remember, Jimmy Butler averaged 2.6 ppg shooting 40% from the field and 18% from three as a 22 year old rookie. At the time would anyone have predicted that at his peak he would average 23/7/7 and lead his team to two NBA Finals?

If you’re saying that there’s a greater than zero chance Holland turns into Jimmy Butler, I’d like to assign a greater than zero percent chance that Knecht turns into Larry Bird. Knecht had twenty last night - he’s cooking

There's a significant difference between the theoretical ceiling of a 19 year old vs a 23 year old four year college player. Knecht will likely never be much better than what he is currently is, which is fine as he is already a serviceable rotation player. But he would never have raised the future ceiling of our team and would have essentially been a wasted pick for a rebuilding team.

If players peak at 26-30 depending on the player, why does someone who is 23 have no potential left and someone who is 19 have tons of potential? Some people need to get off 2k. He would raise the ceiling of our team literally, currently, right now, at this very moment, today.

[Mr Peanut]

If you’re saying that there’s a greater than zero chance Holland turns into Jimmy Butler, I’d like to assign a greater than zero percent chance that Knecht turns into Larry Bird. Knecht had twenty last night - he’s cooking

There's a significant difference between the theoretical ceiling of a 19 year old vs a 23 year old four year college player. Knecht will likely never be much better than what he is currently is, which is fine as he is already a serviceable rotation player. But he would never have raised the future ceiling of our team and would have essentially been a wasted pick for a rebuilding team.

If players peak at 26-30 depending on the player, why does someone who is 23 have no potential left and someone who is 19 have tons of potential? Some people need to get off 2k. He would raise the ceiling of our team literally, currently, right now, at this very moment, today.

I don't play 2k.

It's not that there's no potential left, it's just that there are less years until his theoretical prime for him to make a significant improvement and turn into a star. And at age 23 after four years of college we have a pretty reasonable set of data available to say he is a good shooter but that's all he really is. Also bearing in mind that this season his DBPM is -2.0 (bad) and his defensive rating has him 394th in the league, so his good shooting is offset by the negative aspects of his game to a pretty significant degree.

He would potentially raise our ceiling today from a 9-11th seed in the East to a 8-10th. Anyone who thinks he propels a team more than that is being extremely optimistic, and also downplaying the defensive limitations.

We are a team that needs to take whatever opportunity we can to draft a player that could morph into a star. That was never going to be Knecht so our front office appropriately didn't draft him.

[Phenomenonsense]

There's a significant difference between the theoretical ceiling of a 19 year old vs a 23 year old four year college player. Knecht will likely never be much better than what he is currently is, which is fine as he is already a serviceable rotation player. But he would never have raised the future ceiling of our team and would have essentially been a wasted pick for a rebuilding team.

If players peak at 26-30 depending on the player, why does someone who is 23 have no potential left and someone who is 19 have tons of potential? Some people need to get off 2k. He would raise the ceiling of our team literally, currently, right now, at this very moment, today.

I don't play 2k.

It's not that there's no potential left, it's just that there are less years until his theoretical prime for him to make a significant improvement and turn into a star. And at age 23 after four years of college we have a pretty reasonable set of data available to say he is a good shooter but that's all he really is. Also bearing in mind that this season his DBPM is -2.0 (bad) and his defensive rating has him 394th in the league, so his good shooting is offset by the negative aspects of his game to a pretty significant degree.

He would potentially raise our ceiling today from a 9-11th seed in the East to a 8-10th. Anyone who thinks he propels a team more than that is being extremely optimistic, and also downplaying the defensive limitations.

We are a team that needs to take whatever opportunity we can to draft a player that could morph into a star. That was never going to be Knecht so our front office appropriately didn't draft him.

I think we're lucky to hit 11 and he could definitely bring us to 8. Holland can't hit a **** free throw to cinch a game. Hopefully he will be serviceable in 4 years but who knows.