#27 - Pistons-Heat - 7pm ET - Trade?

[Kalamazoo317]

I mean, eye of the beholder, but hard to say they "shrink in big moments" when they literally pulled off the clutch win. It's not like we just won because Miami gave up or stopped trying or even stopped executing.

[Invictus88]

I mean, eye of the beholder, but hard to say they "shrink in big moments" when they literally pulled off the clutch win. It's not like we just won because Miami gave up or stopped trying or even stopped executing.

We were up something like 15 points and didn't have a fg for a 6+ minute period at the end of the game. If that's not shrinking in big moments then I don't really know what is.

THJ basically saved us in the overtime period (although even he made a huge blunder in the 4th with a bad pass). Everyone else was completely lost / had lost confidence. I strongly urge you to watch / rewatch and contrast how things looked earlier in the game versus how we looked in that last stretch. Even I as a watcher had completely lost hope that we would be able to score the basketball.

I really can't believe that you watched this game Kalamazoo317. The contrast between Miami literally making everything and us not even able to confidently pass or dribble a basketball in the last half of the 4th was undeniable.

[MortSahlfan]

I know this game left a bad taste with some, but just imagine if they LOST....

[Kalamazoo317]

I mean, eye of the beholder, but hard to say they "shrink in big moments" when they literally pulled off the clutch win. It's not like we just won because Miami gave up or stopped trying or even stopped executing.

We were up something like 15 points and didn't have a fg for a 6+ minute period at the end of the game. If that's not shrinking in big moments then I don't really know what is.

THJ basically saved us in the overtime period (although even he made a huge blunder in the 4th with a bad pass). Everyone else was completely lost / had lost confidence. I strongly urge you to watch / rewatch and contrast how things looked earlier in the game versus how we looked in that last stretch. Even I as a watcher had completely lost hope that we would be able to score the basketball.

I really can't believe that you watched this game Kalamazoo317. The contrast between Miami literally making everything and us not even able to confidently pass or dribble a basketball in the last half of the 4th was undeniable.

I watched every second of that game.

For instance, I know that the THJ "blunder" wasn't really on him, it was on Beasley cutting to the middle of the court instead of going to the backcourt where he had more space. I'm pretty sure when he and THJ huddled up and talked to each other right after the game that Beasley was doing some mix of apologizing for *his* blunder and thanking THJ for pulling it out in overtime.

I know that the Heat cranked it way up on defense in the fourth and that we weren't able to execute in response, not due to lack of effort, but shots just not falling and Miami getting away with some really physical defense (refs pretty much swallowed their whistles in the fourth quarter and Miami cranked up their defensive intensity to 200%). I know that Herro started just making three unconsciously, no matter how tightly we guarded him. I know that Miami gave us a wide open look from three for Ausar, but he's just not a good enough outside shooter to make them pay. I know Butler is clutch and could care less whether he's wearing shoes.

I think a lot of you also are sleeping on a certain fact here that you may have let yourself forget when we were up big in the fourth: our roster isn't as talented as Miami's. This is before noting that we were down two starters. Miami has a top 20 player in Butler, two more top 50 players in Bam and Herro, and probably a top 100 player in Duncan. We have ... Cade and some shooters and some gritty young defenders. You're not going to hold down a team with superior talent forever. They're going to go on runs and they did. We almost managed to survive it in regulation. Instead we survived it in overtime.

[Invictus88]

I mean, eye of the beholder, but hard to say they "shrink in big moments" when they literally pulled off the clutch win. It's not like we just won because Miami gave up or stopped trying or even stopped executing.

We were up something like 15 points and didn't have a fg for a 6+ minute period at the end of the game. If that's not shrinking in big moments then I don't really know what is.

THJ basically saved us in the overtime period (although even he made a huge blunder in the 4th with a bad pass). Everyone else was completely lost / had lost confidence. I strongly urge you to watch / rewatch and contrast how things looked earlier in the game versus how we looked in that last stretch. Even I as a watcher had completely lost hope that we would be able to score the basketball.

I really can't believe that you watched this game Kalamazoo317. The contrast between Miami literally making everything and us not even able to confidently pass or dribble a basketball in the last half of the 4th was undeniable.

I watched every second of that game.

For instance, I know that the THJ "blunder" wasn't really on him, it was on Beasley cutting to the middle of the court instead of going to the backcourt where he had more space. I'm pretty sure when he and THJ huddled up and talked to each other right after the game that Beasley was doing some mix of apologizing for *his* blunder and thanking THJ for pulling it out in overtime.

I know that the Heat cranked it way up on defense in the fourth and that we weren't able to execute in response, not due to lack of effort, but shots just not falling and Miami getting away with some really physical defense (refs pretty much swallowed their whistles in the fourth quarter and Miami cranked up their defensive intensity to 200%). I know that Herro started just making three unconsciously, no matter how tightly we guarded him. I know that Miami gave us a wide open look from three for Ausar, but he's just not a good enough outside shooter to make them pay. I know Butler is clutch and could care less whether he's wearing shoes.

I think a lot of you also are sleeping on a certain fact here that you may have let yourself forget when we were up big in the fourth: our roster isn't as talented as Miami's. This is before noting that we were down two starters. Miami has a top 20 player in Butler, two more top 50 players in Bam and Herro, and probably a top 100 player in Duncan. We have ... Cade and some shooters and some gritty young defenders. You're not going to hold down a team with superior talent forever. They're going to go on runs and they did. We almost managed to survive it in regulation. Instead we survived it in overtime.

Over a 7 minute 50 second window spanning the end of the 4th quarter and overtime we were outscored 24-2. We went 0 for 15 with 4 turnovers.

I'm sorry. A run is one thing. Being completely ineffective in terms of able to do anything on offense for half a quarter and the beginning of overtime is another.

We were hesitant and scared. Yes, Miami stepped it up and made some shots. But we missed several bunnies, lost dribbles and made a lot of incredibly poor decisions when it counted most.

We are young and don't have the confidence / experience to close out basketball games. Opponents like Miami smell blood in the water against us because we've continued to show it. They will continue to do so until we prove otherwise. And once we do our roster won't always be considered 'less talented' than our opponents.

[BadMofoPimp]

For all those whining about a victory, this is all part of the evolution in development for a team. Teams go from being a bottom feeder to a team that is competitive and loses close games while improving in the win colemn. The next step is to become a team that wins those close games. Detroit hasn't developed to that point yet. Pistons should be applauded for this game. This takes years, not overnight like NBA2k.

[DetroitSho]

I mean, eye of the beholder, but hard to say they "shrink in big moments" when they literally pulled off the clutch win. It's not like we just won because Miami gave up or stopped trying or even stopped executing.

We were up something like 15 points and didn't have a fg for a 6+ minute period at the end of the game. If that's not shrinking in big moments then I don't really know what is.

THJ basically saved us in the overtime period (although even he made a huge blunder in the 4th with a bad pass). Everyone else was completely lost / had lost confidence. I strongly urge you to watch / rewatch and contrast how things looked earlier in the game versus how we looked in that last stretch. Even I as a watcher had completely lost hope that we would be able to score the basketball.

I really can't believe that you watched this game Kalamazoo317. The contrast between Miami literally making everything and us not even able to confidently pass or dribble a basketball in the last half of the 4th was undeniable.

I watched every second of that game.

For instance, I know that the THJ "blunder" wasn't really on him, it was on Beasley cutting to the middle of the court instead of going to the backcourt where he had more space. I'm pretty sure when he and THJ huddled up and talked to each other right after the game that Beasley was doing some mix of apologizing for *his* blunder and thanking THJ for pulling it out in overtime.

I know that the Heat cranked it way up on defense in the fourth and that we weren't able to execute in response, not due to lack of effort, but shots just not falling and Miami getting away with some really physical defense (refs pretty much swallowed their whistles in the fourth quarter and Miami cranked up their defensive intensity to 200%). I know that Herro started just making three unconsciously, no matter how tightly we guarded him. I know that Miami gave us a wide open look from three for Ausar, but he's just not a good enough outside shooter to make them pay. I know Butler is clutch and could care less whether he's wearing shoes.

I think a lot of you also are sleeping on a certain fact here that you may have let yourself forget when we were up big in the fourth: our roster isn't as talented as Miami's. This is before noting that we were down two starters. Miami has a top 20 player in Butler, two more top 50 players in Bam and Herro, and probably a top 100 player in Duncan. We have ... Cade and some shooters and some gritty young defenders. You're not going to hold down a team with superior talent forever. They're going to go on runs and they did. We almost managed to survive it in regulation. Instead we survived it in overtime.

All of this would make sense if this wasn't a constant occurrence with this team. There's really no arguing it at this point.

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[Canadafan]

These are enjoyable moments. Enjoy the moments
Sure, if we lost, that would have sucked but we didn't. We won. Yay....enjoy this. We're not winning the title this year. We're young and gritty and it's fun. Ausar had a bit of a coming out game too so there's that

[Billl]

Yeah, anyone expecting this team to just dominate a good NBA from start to finish are going to be disappointed. Step 1 in a rebuild is building a competitive culture where you are playing hard enough to be in games consistently. Step 2 is learning to execute so you can actually win some games. We are about half way through step 2 where we are making some plays, but not consistently enough to win most games. That's actually MASSIVE progress to where we were last season. I mean, we are sitting on a 400 record right now and in the last play in slot. This time last year, we were cruising toward a 2-29 record and the longest losing streak in league history.

[MortSahlfan]

NBA says only missed call in final two minutes of regulation and overtime Monday was a foul that should have been called on Jimmy Butler. Said no Pistons foul on Cade Cunningham on Tyler Herro’s tying 3-pointer at end of regulation, “Cunningham (DET) closes out on Herro (MIA), who initiates the marginal contact during the jump shot attempt by extending his leg.”

[Cowology]

We are absolutely terrible in pressure situations, but that is perfectly OK for where this team is at on the scale. If some of you want to find things to make you unhappy, be my guest. You tend to find the thing you look for. I'm happy. Cheers.

[Invictus88]

We are absolutely terrible in pressure situations, but that is perfectly OK for where this team is at on the scale. If some of you want to find things to make you unhappy, be my guest. You tend to find the thing you look for. I'm happy. Cheers.

Agreed. I love watching the Pistons develop. I just wish folks would call a spade a spade. It's okay that we suck at some things. No reason to deny that.

[DetroitSho]

We are absolutely terrible in pressure situations, but that is perfectly OK for where this team is at on the scale. If some of you want to find things to make you unhappy, be my guest. You tend to find the thing you look for. I'm happy. Cheers.

Agreed. I love watching the Pistons develop. I just wish folks would call a spade a spade. It's okay that we suck at some things. No reason to deny that.

Literally this in a nutshell

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[VicVinegar]

OKC Thunder had 13 assists as a team last night in the NBA Cup final.

Cade Cunningham had 18 by himself this game.