#52 - Pistons-Sixers - 7:30pm ET

[DetroitSho]

Beasely will get more than the MLE. Anywhere from $10-20 mil per.

You said he'll get more than the MLE and then listed an amount lower than the MLE. I'm legit asking, do you know how much the MLE is?

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I didn't know it was $12.8. I reckon if they give him max years, he may take that over someone else offering 3 year $45 mil, maybe.

It's projected to be $14.1 million starting next season, so the MLE for 3 years essentially is $45 million.

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[chrbal]

I don’t care if this is a fluke year, if we can get Beasley to sign at around the MLE then give him 4 seasons of it

[Canadafan]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

[DetroitSho]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

At that point, I wouldn't even be looking to sign Schroeder since Ivey will be back healthy. We would only need a Kyle Lowry, "break glass in case of emergency" type 4th PG.

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[Canadafan]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

At that point, I wouldn't even be looking to sign Schroeder since Ivey will be back healthy. We would only need a Kyle Lowry, "break glass in case of emergency" type 4th PG.

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But, if this guy just makes this team blossom. What would be the most we could sign him to after we use/if we use the full MLE on Beasley.
Just curious

[zeebneeb]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

I am actually curious about next year. If, the Pistons make the playoffs, and lose their pick, it'll be the first time since 2018, the Pistons don't have a 1st round pick.

That means, no adding an immediate, hopefully impact player in the draft. That means, to get better, its all in internal growth, and trades.(barring some miracle pick in the second round)

Trajon, if he makes the playoffs, will become beloved in this town, but, could immediately become the villain, if the team doesn't improve next season. Expectations will naturally be higher if the team does indeed make the playoffs, and throw in the fact that the team now has "one of those guys", calls for getting him help will only get louder.

It will be very interesting next year, and Schröder will be the least of his concerns.

[DetroitSho]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

At that point, I wouldn't even be looking to sign Schroeder since Ivey will be back healthy. We would only need a Kyle Lowry, "break glass in case of emergency" type 4th PG.

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But, if this guy just makes this team blossom. What would be the most we could sign him to after we use/if we use the full MLE on Beasley.
Just curious

If we start with $25 million in space after renouncing rights and we sign Beas for the full MLE, it would be about $11 million in space left.

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[DetroitSho]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

I am actually curious about next year. If, the Pistons make the playoffs, and lose their pick, it'll be the first time since 2018, the Pistons don't have a 1st round pick.

That means, no adding an immediate, hopefully impact player in the draft. That means, to get better, its all in internal growth, and trades.(barring some miracle pick in the second round)

Trajon, if he makes the playoffs, will become beloved in this town, but, could immediately become the villain, if the team doesn't improve next season. Expectations will naturally be higher if the team does indeed make the playoffs, and throw in the fact that the team now has "one of those guys", calls for getting him help will only get louder.

It will be very interesting next year, and Schröder will be the least of his concerns.

Huh? The last 5 draft picks didn't appreciably improve this team from the year before from an impact standpoint. If the team doesn't improve next year, it won't be because we didn't add another 20 year old. That's on top of the fact us not having a pick wouldn't be his fault. I'm not understanding this take at all.

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[Canadafan]

At that point, I wouldn't even be looking to sign Schroeder since Ivey will be back healthy. We would only need a Kyle Lowry, "break glass in case of emergency" type 4th PG.

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But, if this guy just makes this team blossom. What would be the most we could sign him to after we use/if we use the full MLE on Beasley.
Just curious

If we start with $25 million in space after renouncing rights and we sign Beas for the full MLE, it would be about $11 million in space left.

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Can't have cap space and MLE
From Bstein earlier-
"Langdon will really have two options as far as how he wants to operate this summer. One is to try and operate as a team with cap space so we'll have a room exception after using our cap space and the other is to try and operate as a team without capspace so we have our MLE to use as well as the biannual exception. Which one he chooses depends partly on whether or not we keep our own draft pick as well as how important it is for him to keep Beasley, THJ, and Schroeder. If Langdon wants to operate as a team with cap space he essentially cuts THJ, Beasley, Schroeder, and BBall Paul loose or resigns them to reasonable deals first."

[zeebneeb]

^^hell yes we should sign him to that

So then the question, for me, is what could we offer Shröder at that point?

I am actually curious about next year. If, the Pistons make the playoffs, and lose their pick, it'll be the first time since 2018, the Pistons don't have a 1st round pick.

That means, no adding an immediate, hopefully impact player in the draft. That means, to get better, its all in internal growth, and trades.(barring some miracle pick in the second round)

Trajon, if he makes the playoffs, will become beloved in this town, but, could immediately become the villain, if the team doesn't improve next season. Expectations will naturally be higher if the team does indeed make the playoffs, and throw in the fact that the team now has "one of those guys", calls for getting him help will only get louder.

It will be very interesting next year, and Schröder will be the least of his concerns.

Huh? The last 5 draft picks didn't appreciably improve this team from the year before from an impact standpoint. If the team doesn't improve next year, it won't be because we didn't add another 20 year old. That's on top of the fact us not having a pick wouldn't be his fault. I'm not understanding this take at all.

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The last 3 picks have obviously made the team better, thus the reason for the draft lottery.

Without a top 5 pick, especially in this draft, you can't land Bailey, Flagg, Harper, e.t.c, distracting the fans with a shiny new pick.

Its all very simple. Without a lotto ticket, Trajon is gonna have to actually work at adding high end talent, instead of lucking into it, with a lotto ticket. No distractions, no BS. Cade is that guy, so he's going to have to continually get better now. The tough part of "the process" has begun. Certainly if the team does win a playoff game or two. Thats a ways off yet, so let's see what happens first.

[DetroitSho]

But, if this guy just makes this team blossom. What would be the most we could sign him to after we use/if we use the full MLE on Beasley.
Just curious

If we start with $25 million in space after renouncing rights and we sign Beas for the full MLE, it would be about $11 million in space left.

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Can't have cap space and MLE
From Bstein earlier-
"Langdon will really have two options as far as how he wants to operate this summer. One is to try and operate as a team with cap space so we'll have a room exception after using our cap space and the other is to try and operate as a team without capspace so we have our MLE to use as well as the biannual exception. Which one he chooses depends partly on whether or not we keep our own draft pick as well as how important it is for him to keep Beasley, THJ, and Schroeder. If Langdon wants to operate as a team with cap space he essentially cuts THJ, Beasley, Schroeder, and BBall Paul loose or resigns them to reasonable deals first."

I'm not talking about the actual MLE. But the same dollar amount contract that mirrors the MLE.

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[Canadafan]

If we start with $25 million in space after renouncing rights and we sign Beas for the full MLE, it would be about $11 million in space left.

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Can't have cap space and MLE
From Bstein earlier-
"Langdon will really have two options as far as how he wants to operate this summer. One is to try and operate as a team with cap space so we'll have a room exception after using our cap space and the other is to try and operate as a team without capspace so we have our MLE to use as well as the biannual exception. Which one he chooses depends partly on whether or not we keep our own draft pick as well as how important it is for him to keep Beasley, THJ, and Schroeder. If Langdon wants to operate as a team with cap space he essentially cuts THJ, Beasley, Schroeder, and BBall Paul loose or resigns them to reasonable deals first."

I'm not talking about the actual MLE. But the same dollar amount contract that mirrors the MLE.

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But, i thought we couldn't give him that much due to not having his bird rights.
Thought we were limited to a certain amount for a raise and we would easily be outbid. Unless we used our MLE. Which means in order to keep Beasley we have to operate as a capped out team

[DetroitSho]

Can't have cap space and MLE
From Bstein earlier-
"Langdon will really have two options as far as how he wants to operate this summer. One is to try and operate as a team with cap space so we'll have a room exception after using our cap space and the other is to try and operate as a team without capspace so we have our MLE to use as well as the biannual exception. Which one he chooses depends partly on whether or not we keep our own draft pick as well as how important it is for him to keep Beasley, THJ, and Schroeder. If Langdon wants to operate as a team with cap space he essentially cuts THJ, Beasley, Schroeder, and BBall Paul loose or resigns them to reasonable deals first."

I'm not talking about the actual MLE. But the same dollar amount contract that mirrors the MLE.

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But, i thought we couldn't give him that much due to not having his bird rights.
Thought we were limited to a certain amount for a raise and we would easily be outbid. Unless we used our MLE. Which means in order to keep Beasley we have to operate as a capped out team

Bird Rights don't mean squat when you have capspace. Without his Bird's Rights he would be just like signing any other free agent from another team. Those salary/raise restrictions only matter when trying to extend your own free agent while you're over the cap.

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[breezypeezy]

NBA season is long and like a gauntlet task of bangs and bruises. I think it would be wise to have all 4 of Cade, Ivey, Beasley and Shroder signed, assuming Shroder is as helpful as we hope he is.
That would be our best backcourt in many years imo.

[Canadafan]

NBA season is long and like a gauntlet task of bangs and bruises. I think it would be wise to have all 4 of Cade, Ivey, Beasley and Shroder signed, assuming Shroder is as helpful as we hope he is.
That would be our best backcourt in many years imo.

Hell ya. And can always go small to get more minutes. Cade can guard SF

[Canadafan]

Bird Rights don't mean squat when you have capspace. Without his Bird's Rights he would be just like signing any other free agent from another team. Those salary/raise restrictions only matter when trying to extend your own free agent while you're over the cap.

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Ok, i luv it.
So do what we have to, to lock up Threasley. 15million for him.
And I'd keep Shröder with the remaining 10million