ImageImageImage

Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy

Moderators: dVs33, Cowology, theBigLip, Snakebites

User avatar
Rip32
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,507
And1: 297
Joined: Nov 09, 2002

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#61 » by Rip32 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:06 pm

MotownMadness wrote:It’s really scary cause they probably aren’t looking to bottom out. They’re going to be trusting Dumars and Weaver in trades and FA

For the most part, Weaver has a eye for college talent. If we can pry Zion from them at little to no cost, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN
Image

:nod: DETROIT VS EVERYBODY :nod:

I have no love for rogue moderators who abuse their authority

The Messiah needs a spacer to be great :noway:
User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,195
And1: 1,813
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#62 » by GreekAlex » Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:11 pm

Rip32 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:It’s really scary cause they probably aren’t looking to bottom out. They’re going to be trusting Dumars and Weaver in trades and FA

For the most part, Weaver has a eye for college talent. If we can pry Zion from them at little to no cost, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN


The risk isn’t worth the reward.

Cade’s window is too precious/ valuable to attach it to Zion.

Zion is probably worth way more to a team without as much positive trajectory as the Pistons.

He’d be good on the Kings since they seemingly have nothing to lose and the Zion circus will give them some brief hope.
MotownMadness
RealGM
Posts: 38,750
And1: 22,816
Joined: Oct 08, 2013
   

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#63 » by MotownMadness » Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:51 pm

Rip32 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:It’s really scary cause they probably aren’t looking to bottom out. They’re going to be trusting Dumars and Weaver in trades and FA

For the most part, Weaver has a eye for college talent. If we can pry Zion from them at little to no cost, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

Yeah if it’s cheap enough but I bet they still want a lot and he never plays.

He’s a beast though
User avatar
Rip32
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,507
And1: 297
Joined: Nov 09, 2002

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#64 » by Rip32 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:55 pm

Sheeeeed wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
Sheeeeed wrote:
Exactly who were these marquee free agents? I remember that 09 free agency to be an abyss while everyone else were waiting on the 2010 free agency with LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, and Boozer.

I remember BG and CV being main targets and Dumars checking in with Atlanta about Josh Smiths availability since he was restricted then.


BG and CV were signed after literally everyone else at the time had signed elsewhere. To suggest that an undersized shooting guard who wanted way more money than the Bulls were willing to give or Charlie Villanueva who really had not proven himself at that point is just being disingenuous. You're making revisionist history.

Your memory is awful.


Again who were these marquee free agents?

Ben Gordon was a hot name who lit it up in the playoffs that year. That free agency was an abyss, and alot people had Ben Gordon as a top 3 free agent that year, but here you are calling me disingenuous and having a bad memory.

BG was an excellent signing. Charlie V was a shet signing tho. Joe couldn't never put the right pieces around Gordan.

My concern with Joe D in new orleans is his health. Joe like to eat. So being in NO with crawfish and gumbo, Joe may balloon to about 450 lbs
Image

:nod: DETROIT VS EVERYBODY :nod:

I have no love for rogue moderators who abuse their authority

The Messiah needs a spacer to be great :noway:
User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,195
And1: 1,813
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#65 » by GreekAlex » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:00 pm

Rip32 wrote:
Sheeeeed wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
BG and CV were signed after literally everyone else at the time had signed elsewhere. To suggest that an undersized shooting guard who wanted way more money than the Bulls were willing to give or Charlie Villanueva who really had not proven himself at that point is just being disingenuous. You're making revisionist history.

Your memory is awful.


Again who were these marquee free agents?

Ben Gordon was a hot name who lit it up in the playoffs that year. That free agency was an abyss, and alot people had Ben Gordon as a top 3 free agent that year, but here you are calling me disingenuous and having a bad memory.

BG was an excellent signing. Charlie V was a shet signing tho. Joe couldn't never put the right pieces around Gordan.

My concern with Joe D in new orleans is his health. Joe like to eat. So being in NO with crawfish and gumbo, Joe may balloon to about 450 lbs


Maybe Joe and Zion can just Sumo wrestle at Pelicans games during halftime. :lol:
the_l_train
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,881
And1: 285
Joined: Jul 05, 2005
Location: G-Rap

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#66 » by the_l_train » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:03 pm

GreekAlex wrote:
Rip32 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:It’s really scary cause they probably aren’t looking to bottom out. They’re going to be trusting Dumars and Weaver in trades and FA

For the most part, Weaver has a eye for college talent. If we can pry Zion from them at little to no cost, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN


The risk isn’t worth the reward.

Cade’s window is too precious/ valuable to attach it to Zion.

Zion is probably worth way more to a team without as much positive trajectory as the Pistons.

He’d be good on the Kings since they seemingly have nothing to lose and the Zion circus will give them some brief hope.


If the risk is "little to no cost", he is 100% worth it. We are the perfect environment to reinvigorate his fat a**.

Also believe his contract has some sort of weight clause where it basically makes it a year to year option. Forgot the exact details, but even a Zion at 80% is easily our second best guy and a more than capable Robin for Cades Batman.

Vibes are so good with this team, not even Zion can mess them up (again, this is if we don't have to give up much for him)
User avatar
Rip32
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,507
And1: 297
Joined: Nov 09, 2002

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#67 » by Rip32 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:10 pm

the_l_train wrote:
GreekAlex wrote:
Rip32 wrote:For the most part, Weaver has a eye for college talent. If we can pry Zion from them at little to no cost, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN


The risk isn’t worth the reward.

Cade’s window is too precious/ valuable to attach it to Zion.

Zion is probably worth way more to a team without as much positive trajectory as the Pistons.

He’d be good on the Kings since they seemingly have nothing to lose and the Zion circus will give them some brief hope.


If the risk is "little to no cost", he is 100% worth it. We are the perfect environment to reinvigorate his fat a**.

Also believe his contract has some sort of weight clause where it basically makes it a year to year option. Forgot the exact details, but even a Zion at 80% is easily our second best guy and a more than capable Robin for Cades Batman.

Vibes are so good with this team, not even Zion can mess them up (again, this is if we don't have to give up much for him)

Folks forget Beef Stew was big in college. Look how he tightened up his body, now.

Zions needs get to hell out of NO. The food there is like crack cocaine, addictive.

Imagine this squad with
Cade
Ausar (better shooter this offseason)
Holland
Zion
Duran

and Stew the first big off the bench. Now, you've given Cade a legitimate scorer
Image

:nod: DETROIT VS EVERYBODY :nod:

I have no love for rogue moderators who abuse their authority

The Messiah needs a spacer to be great :noway:
User avatar
Laimbeer
RealGM
Posts: 42,888
And1: 15,076
Joined: Aug 12, 2009
Location: Cabin Creek
     

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#68 » by Laimbeer » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:45 pm

There was no coming back after firing Sanders for Michael Curry and trading Chauncey for Iverson.
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
5) It's only __ years
6) He's a good mentor/locker room guy
Billl
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,196
And1: 3,323
Joined: Sep 06, 2013

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#69 » by Billl » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:11 pm

the_l_train wrote:
GreekAlex wrote:
Rip32 wrote:For the most part, Weaver has a eye for college talent. If we can pry Zion from them at little to no cost, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN


The risk isn’t worth the reward.

Cade’s window is too precious/ valuable to attach it to Zion.

Zion is probably worth way more to a team without as much positive trajectory as the Pistons.

He’d be good on the Kings since they seemingly have nothing to lose and the Zion circus will give them some brief hope.


If the risk is "little to no cost", he is 100% worth it. We are the perfect environment to reinvigorate his fat a**.

Also believe his contract has some sort of weight clause where it basically makes it a year to year option. Forgot the exact details, but even a Zion at 80% is easily our second best guy and a more than capable Robin for Cades Batman.

Vibes are so good with this team, not even Zion can mess them up (again, this is if we don't have to give up much for him)


There is no such thing as "no cost" when a guy is making $40 mil. Anybody making that much has to be out there playing like an all-star or it completely destroys your ability to build a winning team.

Anyway, NO is going to be looking for real assets to move him. They aren't just going to accept some expiring deals or something.
User avatar
Rip32
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,507
And1: 297
Joined: Nov 09, 2002

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#70 » by Rip32 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:25 pm

Billl wrote:
the_l_train wrote:
GreekAlex wrote:
The risk isn’t worth the reward.

Cade’s window is too precious/ valuable to attach it to Zion.

Zion is probably worth way more to a team without as much positive trajectory as the Pistons.

He’d be good on the Kings since they seemingly have nothing to lose and the Zion circus will give them some brief hope.


If the risk is "little to no cost", he is 100% worth it. We are the perfect environment to reinvigorate his fat a**.

Also believe his contract has some sort of weight clause where it basically makes it a year to year option. Forgot the exact details, but even a Zion at 80% is easily our second best guy and a more than capable Robin for Cades Batman.

Vibes are so good with this team, not even Zion can mess them up (again, this is if we don't have to give up much for him)


There is no such thing as "no cost" when a guy is making $40 mil. Anybody making that much has to be out there playing like an all-star or it completely destroys your ability to build a winning team.

Anyway, NO is going to be looking for real assets to move him. They aren't just going to accept some expiring deals or something.

Then they'll be stuck with him and it'll be difficult fielding a legitimate team around him. Sometimes you have to reset as a franchise. A change of scenery would be the best thing for Zion. He would fit like a glove in the Detroit culture IMO
Image

:nod: DETROIT VS EVERYBODY :nod:

I have no love for rogue moderators who abuse their authority

The Messiah needs a spacer to be great :noway:
User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,195
And1: 1,813
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#71 » by GreekAlex » Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:14 pm

Rip32 wrote:
Billl wrote:
the_l_train wrote:
If the risk is "little to no cost", he is 100% worth it. We are the perfect environment to reinvigorate his fat a**.

Also believe his contract has some sort of weight clause where it basically makes it a year to year option. Forgot the exact details, but even a Zion at 80% is easily our second best guy and a more than capable Robin for Cades Batman.

Vibes are so good with this team, not even Zion can mess them up (again, this is if we don't have to give up much for him)


There is no such thing as "no cost" when a guy is making $40 mil. Anybody making that much has to be out there playing like an all-star or it completely destroys your ability to build a winning team.

Anyway, NO is going to be looking for real assets to move him. They aren't just going to accept some expiring deals or something.

Then they'll be stuck with him and it'll be difficult fielding a legitimate team around him. Sometimes you have to reset as a franchise. A change of scenery would be the best thing for Zion. He would fit like a glove in the Detroit culture IMO


Would he fit like a glove in Detroit because of his well known reputation for hard work and discipline? :lol:
User avatar
Mr Peanut
Analyst
Posts: 3,298
And1: 3,864
Joined: Jan 29, 2012
Location: New Zealand
 

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#72 » by Mr Peanut » Sat Apr 26, 2025 7:41 am

Trading Zion would set our franchise back years. As even though he's not worth them, we'd have to give up quality young players in a trade for him. And then we'd be lucky to get 30-40 games of Zion per season.
Cowology
Forum Mod - Pistons
Forum Mod - Pistons
Posts: 41,153
And1: 4,624
Joined: Sep 05, 2004

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#73 » by Cowology » Sat Apr 26, 2025 2:15 pm

Zion is a shortcut through a dark alley. Just be safe. Go around.
User avatar
Uncle Mxy
General Manager
Posts: 9,501
And1: 2,237
Joined: Jul 14, 2004
Location: I plead the Fifth Dimension

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#74 » by Uncle Mxy » Sat Apr 26, 2025 7:28 pm

Rip32 wrote:BG was an excellent signing. Charlie V was a shet signing tho. Joe couldn't never put the right pieces around Gordan.

Bwahahaha! I needed some humor today, so thanks!

Even if you think BG was actually good on the Pistons (he became timid as hell after getting paid. IMO), I'm pretty sure we were competing against ourselves to give a backup undersized wing $50-odd million. I'd argue BG was worse "bang for the buck" than CV.
LaSheed
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,910
And1: 829
Joined: Jun 02, 2016
       

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#75 » by LaSheed » Sat Apr 26, 2025 8:39 pm

Good. Now send us Zion. I know you guys don't want him but I do! Cmon Joe! Cmon Troy!
Invictus88
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,918
And1: 2,204
Joined: Jun 25, 2013

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#76 » by Invictus88 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 5:09 pm

Uncle Mxy wrote:
Rip32 wrote:BG was an excellent signing. Charlie V was a shet signing tho. Joe couldn't never put the right pieces around Gordan.

Bwahahaha! I needed some humor today, so thanks!

Even if you think BG was actually good on the Pistons (he became timid as hell after getting paid. IMO), I'm pretty sure we were competing against ourselves to give a backup undersized wing $50-odd million. I'd argue BG was worse "bang for the buck" than CV.


No. He was the second coming according to some folks here. An absolute steal in an otherwise weak FA class. Nobody cares that no one else wanted him or what it cost us to rid ourselves of him
DET_Athletics
Pro Prospect
Posts: 983
And1: 239
Joined: Dec 17, 2014
       

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#77 » by DET_Athletics » Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:54 pm

The only person on the pelicans I would trade for is Herb Jones and that's if we are forced to put Holland in a trade to upgrade our starting Pf thos off season.

Sent from my SM-S908U using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
Rip32
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,507
And1: 297
Joined: Nov 09, 2002

Re: Pelicans expecting to hire Joe Dumars as top guy 

Post#78 » by Rip32 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 10:06 pm

DET_Athletics wrote:The only person on the pelicans I would trade for is Herb Jones and that's if we are forced to put Holland in a trade to upgrade our starting Pf thos off season.

Sent from my SM-S908U using RealGM mobile app

Herb Jones :lol: Langdon should be on the phone inquiring about Zion
Image

:nod: DETROIT VS EVERYBODY :nod:

I have no love for rogue moderators who abuse their authority

The Messiah needs a spacer to be great :noway:

Return to Detroit Pistons