Would you take a bad contract

[Horace6766]

I kind of look at this offseason and see so many people saying run it back because they don’t want to trade a lot for a superstar. Free agency has rarely been kind to us. So how do we get better other then just year to year growth. Could we take on a bad contract to add picks?

We’re sending them expiring deals here and a future first to take on PG contract and there number 3 pick. Just killing time at work. No idea if this is even anything either team would consider.

Tobias, Fontecchino,(might need to add more money) and next trade-able first rounder to the 76ers to assume the rest of Paul George’s contract and the 3rd pick this year. Pistons draft ace Bailey with that third pick.

Cade, Dennis, Marcus
Ivey, Beasley
George, Thompson
Bailey, Stewart
Duran, stewart or whomever u sign.


Thompson is your first man off the bench and when we can play small ball him or George slides to the 4 and Bailey to the 5.

[theBigLip]

We don’t really have any bad contracts currently. Maybe Font but that’s it, and it’s expiring anyway.

The league is also changing. There is a de facto hard cap and teams want to get off the big contracts unless it’s for a legit star.

I’d rather keep our cap sheet clean. We need to worry about how we manage our extensions.

[Kalamazoo317]

Philly's not trading #3 to get off of Paul George's contract

[chrbal]

Paul’s owed like $160 million (he’s absolutely picking up his player option) over the next 3 seasons. Hes also 35 and consistently missing time. If Philly offers something like this to Charlotte, Washington or some similar team then sure. For Detroit this is the opposite of what we need to do

And honestly ‘25 would have to be a generational draft for me to take on his contract to get 3.

[the_l_train]

Philly's not trading #3 to get off of Paul George's contract

They will, but it will be for a slightly lower pick...like #5 from Utah or #4 from Charlotte (Bailey will still be around by then).

Tobias Harris and a late round pick next year is not exactly juicy enough for Morey. Philly fans heads would explode.

[theBigLip]

Philly's not trading #3 to get off of Paul George's contract

They will, but it will be for a slightly lower pick...like #5 from Utah or #4 from Charlotte (Bailey will still be around by then).

Tobias Harris and a late round pick next year is not exactly juicy enough for Morey. Philly fans heads would explode.

Philly’s fans heads should have exploded once PG was signed. Who were they bidding against? I think he’s been great but too old for a 4 year max when you know the second apron is coming. At this point, I’d dump both Embid and PG and start over.

[the_l_train]

Philly's not trading #3 to get off of Paul George's contract

They will, but it will be for a slightly lower pick...like #5 from Utah or #4 from Charlotte (Bailey will still be around by then).

Tobias Harris and a late round pick next year is not exactly juicy enough for Morey. Philly fans heads would explode.

Philly’s fans heads should have exploded once PG was signed. Who were they bidding against? I think he’s been great but too old for a 4 year max when you know the second apron is coming. At this point, I’d dump both Embid and PG and start over.

That's what you get when you have Morey, who always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Paul George was a big name, and he had to make a splash, because that is what he does.

I'm sure he would deal Embiid/PG in a milli-second now if he could. Unfortunately the basketball gods are giving him the 3rd pick in a solid draft, and he can walk away with a promising young core with Maxey + McCain + Bailey (or whoever they take).

Seems like a horrible place for Ace to go, Nick Nurse is gonna play guys like Oubre ahead of him...then end up the scapegoat and lose his job because of it. "The team needs a new voice". No wonder Ace is avoiding the workouts...seems like a dumb move for a young guy, but I don't blame the kid. Morey is gonna look at it like a challenge and draft him anyways for the asset alone.

[Snakebites]

Philly's not trading #3 to get off of Paul George's contract

Yeah. Sorry OP, the notion is laughable.

High lotto picks don’t get traded for financial reasons.

You might get a team to move down a few spots, but we don’t have mid-high lottery pick of our own to deal.

[tmorgan]

No bad contracts. That’s our biggest current advantage, and it’ll get bigger over the next 24 months. Over half the teams in the league are drowning right now.

[BadMofoPimp]

Want absolutely NOTHING to do with PG. NOTHING!

[tmorgan]

No bad contracts. That’s our biggest current advantage, and it’ll get bigger over the next 24 months. Over half the teams in the league are drowning right now.

Speaking of this, Boston’s salary shedding has begun. Jrue for Anfernee Simons (expiring).

[VicVinegar]

Not something that detrimental. However I wouldn't mind a swap of Tobias Harris and say, Michael Porter Jr.

[Canadafan]

Not something that detrimental. However I wouldn't mind a swap of Tobias Harris and say, Michael Porter Jr.

Ya, short of us getting Portis for a signed and traded Hardaway+Fontecchio +2nd rounders, I think giving Denver some depth with Tobias and THJr, possibly even Fontecchio if they wanted him could benefit both teams.
We would be upgrading Tobias with a young guy that shoots the lights out. Last 2 seasons he's been durable and played lots of games. His contract is horrible though. We already have our upgrade to Tim with Ivey coming back. Upgrade to Reed with Stew coming back. We would look very good next year with PorterJr
Denver would get 2-3rotation level guys. Probably some draft picks from us. And save on their tax situation going forward.
Id still prefer we poach Portis and keep Tobias though.

[Billl]

In our position, I think you can afford to take on a guy who is overpaid but very productive. No teams should be taking on "bad contracts" though in this CBA. Unless something unexpected happens, we'll be operating over the cap for the next 5 years. We've got a lot of room between that and the aprons, so as long as ownership is willing to spend, we should be concentrating on bringing in the best talent on the court.

[VicVinegar]

Not something that detrimental. However I wouldn't mind a swap of Tobias Harris and say, Michael Porter Jr.

Ya, short of us getting Portis for a signed and traded Hardaway+Fontecchio +2nd rounders, I think giving Denver some depth with Tobias and THJr, possibly even Fontecchio if they wanted him could benefit both teams.
We would be upgrading Tobias with a young guy that shoots the lights out. Last 2 seasons he's been durable and played lots of games. His contract is horrible though. We already have our upgrade to Tim with Ivey coming back. Upgrade to Reed with Stew coming back. We would look very good next year with PorterJr
Denver would get 2-3rotation level guys. Probably some draft picks from us. And save on their tax situation going forward.
Id still prefer we poach Portis and keep Tobias though.

Yeah, it would never happen, but I would really like the idea of a Harris and Font for MPJ swap. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides. From a Pistons standpoint, you get a younger guy who is capable of putting up 18+ average on a season and having some big games and shooting 40% from 3 for his career. You also get to keep all of your young guys (Ivey, Duren, Ausar, Holland). If it doesn't work out, big deal, you let him walk after the 2026-2027 season. Or maybe it works out and Holland/Ausar aren't what you hoped they would be and MPJ signs an extension. From a Nuggets standpoint, they already have $140M locked up between Jokic, Murray, and Gordon ($180M with MPJ) for the 26/27 season and will need to re-sign Braun (Likely $25M+ a year). Having $35M expiring before that season between Tobias and Font will let them have cap space for Braun. Plus Nuggets are still a playoff team and Tobias can bring something to the table. MPJ averaged 9 points per game for them last playoffs, I can't imagine Tobias would do worse than that.

[Crymson]

Yeah, it would never happen, but I would really like the idea of a Harris and Font for MPJ swap. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides. From a Pistons standpoint, you get a younger guy who is capable of putting up 18+ average on a season and having some big games and shooting 40% from 3 for his career. You also get to keep all of your young guys (Ivey, Duren, Ausar, Holland). If it doesn't work out, big deal, you let him walk after the 2026-2027 season. Or maybe it works out and Holland/Ausar aren't what you hoped they would be and MPJ signs an extension. From a Nuggets standpoint, they already have $140M locked up between Jokic, Murray, and Gordon ($180M with MPJ) for the 26/27 season and will need to re-sign Braun (Likely $25M+ a year). Having $35M expiring before that season between Tobias and Font will let them have cap space for Braun. Plus Nuggets are still a playoff team and Tobias can bring something to the table. MPJ averaged 9 points per game for them last playoffs, I can't imagine Tobias would do worse than that.

No offense, but I feel like the notion that MPJ would be a desirable trade target for any team comes only from those who aren't familiar with him. There's good reason why Denver would be glad to be quits of him: he's just not a good player, and he's drastically overpaid.

MPJ is highly one-dimensional on offense, he's best kept within a narrow role of C&S threes and assisted offense in the interior because things tend to go wrong in a hurry when he's asked to create any offense for himself, he sucks at creating for his teammates, he doesn't care very much for playing defense, he's a general dolt, he's got a poor motor, and he's in the ideal situation for him right now alongside Jokic and would likely be worse with any other team.

He's not a meaningful upgrade to Tobias on the court, and he's an awful culture fit.

[tmorgan]

Yeah, big pass on MPJ. They can’t pay us to take him, and that’s what it should take.

[the_l_train]

Yeah, it would never happen, but I would really like the idea of a Harris and Font for MPJ swap. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides. From a Pistons standpoint, you get a younger guy who is capable of putting up 18+ average on a season and having some big games and shooting 40% from 3 for his career. You also get to keep all of your young guys (Ivey, Duren, Ausar, Holland). If it doesn't work out, big deal, you let him walk after the 2026-2027 season. Or maybe it works out and Holland/Ausar aren't what you hoped they would be and MPJ signs an extension. From a Nuggets standpoint, they already have $140M locked up between Jokic, Murray, and Gordon ($180M with MPJ) for the 26/27 season and will need to re-sign Braun (Likely $25M+ a year). Having $35M expiring before that season between Tobias and Font will let them have cap space for Braun. Plus Nuggets are still a playoff team and Tobias can bring something to the table. MPJ averaged 9 points per game for them last playoffs, I can't imagine Tobias would do worse than that.

No offense, but I feel like the notion that MPJ would be a desirable trade target for any team comes only from those who aren't familiar with him. There's good reason why Denver would be glad to be quits of him: he's just not a good player, and he's drastically overpaid.

MPJ is highly one-dimensional on offense, he's best kept within a narrow role of C&S threes and assisted offense in the interior because things tend to go wrong in a hurry when he's asked to create any offense for himself, he sucks at creating for his teammates, he doesn't care very much for playing defense, he's a general dolt, he's got a poor motor, and he's in the ideal situation for him right now alongside Jokic and would likely be worse with any other team.

He's not a meaningful upgrade to Tobias on the court, and he's an awful culture fit.

...and he has a bum shoulder and one million other injury red flags.

As the leader of the Trade Tobias train, I can't even get behind this.