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Run it Back or Upgrade?

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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#401 » by Snakebites » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:21 pm

VicVinegar wrote:Can someone knowledgeable please give me the spark notes version of the Pistons cap situation? Rumor is they were in on Naz Reid and considering he signed at $25M a year, idk how they would've fit that in (minus a trade or the fact that they low balled him). Sport trac says they have about $19M in cap space if they let go of all of their cap holds (THJ, Reed, Schroeder, Beasley, Waters, Jenkins). That wouldn't be enough to fit Naz, nor would the $14M MLE.


Two possibilities:

1) TL underestimated the price for Naz and thought our cap would be enough

Or far more likely:

2) We had a deal in place to clear cap space to get to that 25 mill level- most likely via dealing Fontecchio’s expiring deal, which likely would have been cheap.

It’s important to note, thanks to my evolving understanding of the situation, that this would almost certainly mean losing Beasley- as we’d have only the 8.5 mill room exception to offer at that point.

We do not have Bird rights (the thing that allows you to resign guys regardless of cap space) on Beasley due to his being a one year deal. As such the only way to offer him more than the 8.5 mill room exception is to either a) maintain our cap holds and act as a salary capped team- giving us the larger MLE or b) Renounce everyone and resign Beasley with cap space.

Also important to note that given the dearth of cap space in the league it is extremely unlikely that Beasley gets an offer above the non taxpayer MLE, so giving Beasley, say, 17 million per year, is likely a waste of resources.

If we take Schroder’s comments about us “not waiting for him” at face value then the only logical conclusion to make is that the plan is to renounce players and operate with cap space. That could change- the situation with free agents is highly fluid.

It’s a dilemma brought about by the fact that we signed Beasley as a one year rental and he played like more than that.

Anyone in the know, please correct me if I’m wrong on any of this.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#402 » by MotownMadness » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:11 pm

We probably just lost Beasley. That’s gonna hurt without his shooting.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#403 » by TPA » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:13 pm

MotownMadness wrote:We probably just lost Beasley. That’s gonna hurt without his shooting.

I'd be going hard after Ty Jerome now if I were T.L.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#404 » by MotownMadness » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:17 pm

TPA wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:We probably just lost Beasley. That’s gonna hurt without his shooting.

I'd be going hard after Ty Jerome now if I were T.L.

I think they’re going to go after NAW hard. He’s become a must have now.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#405 » by ducler » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:21 pm

NAW and Schroder should be considered now, THJ probably too.
If Beasley is innocented, then he'll probably have to take a minimum salary again, here or elsewhere.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#406 » by VicVinegar » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:11 pm

TPA wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:We probably just lost Beasley. That’s gonna hurt without his shooting.

I'd be going hard after Ty Jerome now if I were T.L.


Don't know much about NAW or Ty Jerome but I was impressed by Jerome in the games vs the Pistons last season. Quick, easy baskets to the net and apparently a decent three point shooter as well. Would love to have him here.
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Post#407 » by the_l_train » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:14 pm

Going after Hauser has to be a priority now.

Should also kick the tires on a trade for Knecht.

I’m in panic mode thinking about this team without Beasley. Need to go get multiple gunners to take his place, this one hurts.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#408 » by TPA » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:05 pm

VicVinegar wrote:
TPA wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:We probably just lost Beasley. That’s gonna hurt without his shooting.

I'd be going hard after Ty Jerome now if I were T.L.


Don't know much about NAW or Ty Jerome but I was impressed by Jerome in the games vs the Pistons last season. Quick, easy baskets to the net and apparently a decent three point shooter as well. Would love to have him here.

If you were to ask me who I'd rather have in FA a week ago, I would have said Jerome over Beasley. I didn't think it would be a possibility because reports were that Ty would be a priority for the Cavs. The situation has changed with their Okoro for Ball trade. Now with Beasley in trouble, the opportunity exists to get him if T.L. wants to go that direction.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#409 » by flow » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:15 pm

the_l_train wrote:Going after Hauser has to be a priority now.

Should also kick the tires on a trade for Knecht.

I’m in panic mode thinking about this team without Beasley. Need to go get multiple gunners to take his place, this one hurts.


Just think about him in the playoffs. That should calm you down considerably.

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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#410 » by LaSheed » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:27 pm

flow wrote:
the_l_train wrote:Going after Hauser has to be a priority now.

Should also kick the tires on a trade for Knecht.

I’m in panic mode thinking about this team without Beasley. Need to go get multiple gunners to take his place, this one hurts.


Just think about him in the playoffs. That should calm you down considerably.

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Hahah nailed it.

If he's all good you give him the 1 year 7.2 million
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Post#411 » by pistons4ever » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:34 pm

Hauser or Grayson allen
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Post#412 » by catari11 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:39 pm

looks like Celtics are determined to retain Hauser. better chance with Grayson.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#413 » by TPA » Sun Jun 29, 2025 9:57 pm

I feel like there are three or four of us in this entire forum that are prioritizing a solid backup PG this FA. I feel the same way about my desire to ride Tobias Harris until the wheels fall off. Am I taking crazy pills?
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#414 » by Snakebites » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:17 pm

the_l_train wrote:Going after Hauser has to be a priority now.

Should also kick the tires on a trade for Knecht.

I’m in panic mode thinking about this team without Beasley. Need to go get multiple gunners to take his place, this one hurts.

I’ve been labeled as the resident pessimist around here and I’m not panicking. Take a breath. There’s opportunity here.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#415 » by SuperBad » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:31 pm

I thought Schroeder was more important than Beasley anyways more so with Ivey back. Go hard after the backup PF, give Sasser some more minutes consistently.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#416 » by Kalamazoo317 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:19 pm

Not sure we ran it back or upgraded ....
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#417 » by Snakebites » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:23 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Not sure we ran it back or upgraded ....

The plan clearly was (at least for the most part) to run it back.

Beasley's allegations blew that plan up. So we approximated running it back by replacing him as best as we could. Clear to me there was never a plan to make a serious upgrade, which would have required breaking up the young core.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#418 » by Kalamazoo317 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:36 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:Not sure we ran it back or upgraded ....

The plan clearly was (at least for the most part) to run it back.

Beasley's allegations blew that plan up. So we approximated running it back by replacing him as best as we could. Clear to me there was never a plan to make a serious upgrade, which would have required breaking up the young core.


Oh, I totally agree. I think we seem to have pretty much made lateral moves without the benefit of continuity. We'll see how it works out (internal growth remains everything). I didn't think much of the acquisitions last offseason either, though, and we all know how that turned out, so I'll remain optimistic. Don't see us as a contender or anything in the diminished east next year, though, but I don't see us as a lottery team either, so that's good.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#419 » by Crymson » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:22 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Not sure we ran it back or upgraded ....


Ran it back, more or less. LeVert replaced Schroder (though we're still waiting to hear why the Pistons made that swap), Robinson replaced Beasley.

Assuming the Schroder deal goes ahead as an S&T with no player returning, which seems likely, the Pistons still have two roster spots open, with the $5.1m MLE and minimum contracts as options to fill those with free agents.

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