DetroitSho wrote:Those situations are different tho. You're talking about guys that were legit NBA rotation guys and people generally base their opinion of value on how they actually feel about the guy. Over the years they've seen Tobias be ridiculed by Philly fans for not showing up in the playoffs, so "why would we ever go after him or pay him that much when Philly didn't want him". I thought that was a ridiculous line of thinking. I also laughed at all the Stew vitriol, that was ridiculous. The only problem of the guys you mentioned was LeVert simply because dude can't play more than 5 games in a row.Cowology wrote:DetroitSho wrote:Daniss Jenkins a $20 million/year player? Detroit knows it loves their 10th men I swear. But then again, I'm old enough to remember this board wanting to extend Avery Bradley for $25 million per after about 5-6 games to keep from having to pay the max to keep him. I think we jump the gun way too much around here.
Anybody remember Christian Wood for $20 mil? Fonteccio for mid to high teens?
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I'd argue the opposite; this board is notorious for underestimating player value. We *always* think we overpaid. The outrage on this board over the Stew contract still cracks me up.
We will jump through every possible hoop to explain why there is no market for somebody and how we should be able to take advantage or leverage our position to get that guy cheap!! We "overpaid" for Tobias when there was no market. Overpaid every one of our role players (THj, Levert, etc).
We always have that certainty that nobody else would ever consider paying *that* much for somebody while ignoring how typical those "overpays" actually are.
Talent costs money. I'm all for trying to lock dudes up cheap, but then you better make an aggressive enough offer that the dude isn't tempted to simply bet on himself because if not your just going to miss out entirely.
AND I explicitly stated this was all contingent upon him continuing to both get minutes and maintain production, something which is NOT guaranteed. That's what makes it a qualifier.
Yet and still, these examples don't match what I'm saying. I'm talking that unheraldedd gem that you uncovered that becomes a cult hero. Freaking Dan Skipper damn near gets a standing ovation by just checking into the game. Brandon Inge had a cult following. Daniss Jenkins has played 3 whole weeks consistently being in an NBA rotation and there's people suggesting $20 million a year is realistic. NONE of those other examples even come close to the ridiculousness of this.
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I find it funny that the person bringing up outrage over Stewart's value (who is definitely worth it but still doesn't see the court nearly as much as he should due to his own stupidity) are in part the same ones saying that they can never see a scenario in believing in the value of Duren.
Sometimes you need to look inward...
Also, am I wrong or has Jenkins fallen down to earth a bit since he had that run when folks were gone? Part of his successes were due to his ability to drive past players and do that one-handed scoop around them. That move seems to be completely missing/ countered at this point. Now I see more of him making very G-league- like drives into traffic with nowhere to go and getting his sho blocked or passing to nowhere. That's beginning to become the new norm
Will he adapt and become successful again? Maybe. But my goodness some folks are ready to hand a guy like Jenkins with no sustained success 20 million? And completely give up on a guy with a longer track record?
smh
