Hermann/Hayes

Champs04bigshot · Post #1 » by **Champs04bigshot** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:55 am

I know that a lot of people on this board are calling for him to get some playing time. I have seen almost every game and do not see what the fuss is about. He can shoot the ball alright and can play physical d. But lets face it if the bobcats are willing to give up on him for nazr... seriously? I have seen him play and when hes in there we are playing against there second and third stringers anyone can look good in that case.

After all his aquisition was to free up cap space and get rid of a bad contract so we can puruse in the free agent market. I would not be willing to take away minutes from Hayes to "see what he could do" Hayes has played well and his shot give us a great dimension to our offense. I know a lot of people dont care for him but he is a more than capeable backup three in this league and i believe we made a great move in bringing him in.

Liqourish · Post #2 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:49 pm

Hayes got lazy when his spot was secured. When Herrmann got activated and Flip suggested he would play, Jarvis all of a sudden found his shot. As soon as Flip told the media that Herrmann was more of a PF and would be used as such, Jarvis lost his shot again. I would keep Herrmann on the bench and used in sparse minutes just to keep Hayes on his game. I'm not saying Walter should be the full time SF backup, but if Herrmann being an option pushes Hayes to actually produce, I see nothing wrong with it.

Post #3 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:24 pm

I think we should sign Childress in the offseason to backup Tay.

Muzzleshot · Post #4 » by **Muzzleshot** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:21 pm

Hayes is playing for a contract so I don't know why he would become lazy and think his spot is secured. If having Hermann behind him is motivating him to play well, shouldn't the reward of a big contract (For him) supercede that?

Hayes is what he is, a streaky shooter. He's no different than Delfino. He'll have a series of good games followed by a stretch of games where he doesn't play that well.

the_l_train · Post #5 » by **the_l_train** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:47 pm

I agree with BigLip, Childress would be amazing off our bench. I could see him fitting in really well. I always thought of him as more of a SG though.

Post #6 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:34 pm

the_l_train wrote:I agree with BigLip, Childress would be amazing off our bench. I could see him fitting in really well. I always thought of him as more of a SG though.

Could play both. Atlanta will have a lot of choices in the offseason and he might be able to be had for the MLE.

Muteboy · Post #7 » by **Muteboy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:20 pm

I've always liked Childress' game as well.

Reckon he'd be a great pickup.

Post #8 » by **roc** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:01 pm

I like Chill, tried trading for him a few times on these boards. Would love to have him on the team. He can play both the 2 and 3 and is extremely efficient with the ball. Always shoots over 50% which is awesome for the positions he plays.

I don't think we could get him for the MLE though. Atlanta has J Smith needing to be signed to big money but I still don't think they would let a valuable asset like Chill leave if he is only an MLE contract.

Tap Tap the Chiseler · Post #9 » by **Tap Tap the Chiseler** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:26 pm

Hayes is in a slump pure and simple. All players go through them. That shot will come back. Fabio could be a Nocioni type if he just got some consistancy in his game.

Master Shake · Post #10 » by **Master Shake** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:28 pm

r0cd0gg wrote:I like Chill, tried trading for him a few times on these boards. Would love to have him on the team. He can play both the 2 and 3 and is extremely efficient with the ball. Always shoots over 50% which is awesome for the positions he plays.

I don't think we could get him for the MLE though. Atlanta has J Smith needing to be signed to big money but I still don't think they would let a valuable asset like Chill leave if he is only an MLE contract.

This is Atlanta we are talking about... you know, the team that gift wrapped Rasheed Wallace for us...

Chuck Nevicic · Post #11 » by **Chuck Nevicic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:30 pm

Hayes is a chucker that doesn't rebound well or play D. If his shot isn't falling he hurts the team.

Post #12 » by **roc** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:51 pm

Master Shake wrote:This is Atlanta we are talking about... you know, the team that gift wrapped Rasheed Wallace for us...

They may have gift wrapped him (they never intended on keeping him anyway) but they got a present back as well and freed up a good amount of money to boot. That deal was a big part of them starting a rebuild. They got Josh Smith and then JJ and have been building friom that. I suppose you can hope that they let Chill walk instead of coughing up the MLE but I would think at the very least they would try to do a S&T to get a C or a more savvy PG.

Time will tell.

NCHeels2008 · Post #13 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:03 pm

we could just trade for artest and we won't be having this debate

Dirtgrain · Post #14 » by **Dirtgrain** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:23 pm

Tap Tap the Chiseler wrote:Hayes is in a slump pure and simple. All players go through them. That shot will come back.

Unfortunately, it follows the cycle of the moon.

Warspite · Post #15 » by **Warspite** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:08 pm

r0cd0gg wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

They may have gift wrapped him (they never intended on keeping him anyway) but they got a present back as well and freed up a good amount of money to boot. That deal was a big part of them starting a rebuild. They got Josh Smith and then JJ and have been building friom that. I suppose you can hope that they let Chill walk instead of coughing up the MLE but I would think at the very least they would try to do a S&T to get a C or a more savvy PG.

Time will tell.

If only you could get a C for a backup SG. Wouldnt we have traded for him since we had a C to trade?

Post #16 » by **roc** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:10 pm

Warspite wrote:If only you could get a C for a backup SG. Wouldnt we have traded for him since we had a C to trade?

I don't think Nazr's contract was appealing to them however. If they wanted him and offered Chill then Hermann/Brezec would not be Pistons right now. After seeing him in Charlotte I bet they wish they would have made a move for him.