Big Ben to New York???

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I know he did it for the money, but I am willing to bet anyone here ANYTHING that if he told his true feelings he would not do the deal today, and accept the, what? 10million less over the course of the deal Detroit offered him.

If he wasn't sure about his decision last season -- his first in Chicago -- Wallace must know now the grass wasn't indeed greener on the other side.

When asked if he made a mistake, Wallace didn't hesitate, "You live and learn," he told The Detroit News on Thursday.

If Wallace could, he would come back. This is his home. This is still where he belongs. Best of all, he knows it.

Big Ben Knows his Mistake

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Big Ben Knows his Mistake

Thanks grey. That makes me feel a little better knowing he feels that way for sure, instead of my conjecture.

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Where is the link where he said he did it for the extra $ that the Bulls put on the table? I didn't see that part.

I never doubted he would make the same decision today that he made in 2006. As Manocad mentioned in this thread, hindsight is always 20/20.


I gave the example of the Portland Trailblazers and Sam Bowie vs. MJ in the draft when they could have had either player on their squad. Of course they would have picked MJ had they KNOWN ahead of time that Sam Bowie's legs would not hold up to NBA action.

IMO no one in this thread KNOWS he made the decision in 2006 because of the money issue.

Rob Parker has been writing articles based on conjecture for more years than I care to remember and this is just one of thousands.

I know that if I had known in 2005 before the playoffs began that Larry Brown would ask Tayshaun to defend Tim Duncan for more than 10 seconds with 2 heathy centers on the bench I would not have bet ANY money on the Piston's defending their championship.


OT I am sure glad I played poker tonight. My home is littered with containers of different sizes and I need to clean up. No worries, I shall be smiling all day even if there are some out there that don't realize I am responding to zeebneeb's post above mine and proceed to 'pile on'.

[Tommy Udo 6]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com...533.column

There was a report on ESPN this weekend of Bulls talks with the Knicks about Wallace for Quentin Richardson, Malik Rose and Fred Jones. Wallace is believed to have told friends he expects to be traded and would like to go to the Knicks.

I believe if the Bulls can't get something better, they could do that to move Wallace's contract, though Rose has a season left after this and Richardson two. Those two, though, hardly address the Bulls' needs and perhaps create other issues.

Some of the motivation to move Wallace now is that Joakim Noah clearly is the team's future center, and that was evident again in a strong finish Thursday night in Golden State.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Comments on trade proposal:

Q + Malik = Wallace

Q + Malik + Jones = Wallace also / However Bulls are $3 mill from Lux Tax (which is Jones salary). Bulls also have 1 roster spot open.

So, if Jones is part of the deal, then the Knicks get another player - maybe the expiring Duhon.

Other trades that work:

Q + Jerome Jmes = wallace

Malik + James = Wallace

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IMO bulls6 has bigger balls than some of those who post in this forum and giggle over whether or not Tay brought his balls on any given night against any given opponent.

I extend my personal welcome back to our board because I visit the Detroit Forum for a different reason than many who post here.

I sure hope those who come here with the intent of forcing their opinion down other people's throat give me the option to decide whether or not I 'choose' to converse with the 'enemy' in this thread.

I don't doubt that he discussed his possible relocation to NY or any other place with his friends.
Some of his friends are members of the 2007-2008 Detroit Pistons.

One of many things that is not in the bargaining agreement is that David Stern cannot make you pick new friends when you leave one team and join another.

Rip was correctly quoted as saying before last years playoffs "No more buddy ball" and I laughed cause I KNEW Ben's new team was in more trouble than they realized. Why did I KNOW this, because Ben's team needs him to do more than he EVER had to do for Detroit Basketball.

My comment on your accurate assessment of the rumored trade proposal is based on my SELFISH LOYALTY to Joe D's team.

I hope your GM is too scared to pull the trigger on the proposed trade because IMO your team would be better without him.

I don't OWE Ben the same loyalty that his friends and family do so from the perspective of a Detroit Fan, I think if the deal does not go down quick Chicago should buy him out now and move on.

I don't think the 'culture' of the Bulls locker room could stand Ben on the roster beyond Feb. 21 of this year.

I know that some in your forum are saying wait till next year. What they don't realize is that the bulls roster is not as mentally strong as Joe D's 'core'. If talks of trades and a perceived lowball contract had Mr 'Untradable' Deng's panties in such a bunch that he could not hit the side of a barn for 2 weeks earlier this season getting Ben off the roster is the least of Paxon's problems.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Yes, I agree the Bulls are in trouble & a lot is due to soft mental attitude.

The 2 players who Paxson called his hardest workers really seemed to prove him wrong. Gordon refused $50 million over 5 years. He was demanding $60+ million. Since they were not close, Bulls never made another offer. ESPN's Ford says he cant understand Gordon since $50 million/5 is actually above market value Does he think anyone else will pay him that??

Deng was also offered $50 million. There is evidence that Bulls raised offer to $57.5 million (same as offer to Iggy by Philly). Deng turned it down, then later said that he never received the offer. That is a source of dispute but there is enough evidence (to me) to suggest the higher offer was made

In a recent interview, Chairman Reinsdorf said that one of the players told him that he made a big mistake by not accepting the Bulls offer. Gordon immediately said it wasnt he who said that. Deng made no comment - sort of validating the statement that Reinsdorf made.

Both Deng & Gordon have taken off extended time with "injuries", Deng claims a sore Achilles & Gordon claims a sore wrist. Are they REALLY injured? Or they they taking it easy in an effort not to get really injured,
In an interview, Paxson said that "you MUST believe the players when they claim injuries".

Bulls are screwed up but it is possible to turn it around. The problems seems mental, especially with Deng & Gordon. That is a major source of disppointment for Bulls fans & we just must deal with it.

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I have to use the above emoticon for a few days just in case there are some people who visit this forum that can't resist the urge to 'butt in'


Little Ben and Deng are up the creek without a paddle if they think your GM is going to make a higher offer than what you stated.

If I had to guess I would say you have read the rumors of Big Ben for AK47? Considering the source I doubt it. What's your take on that possibility?

I had read in Agent Zero's blog about Iggy leaving money on the table. I didn't think too much of it because I found factual errors in some situations he attempted to explain. Thanks for the real deal on the amount of $ that was discussed. I had come to the same conclusion as you on which Bull regretted not taking money offered.

Sigh, some players need to fire their agents.

Back on topic

I don't think your GM would give up Duhon in a Big Ben deal. What's your take on shipping out Duhon and Ben Wallace if that is what it takes to rid the Bulls of Ben's contract?

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cancel the above request about your opinion on the AK47-Ben rumor.
I had not visited your board yet today.

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^AK47 for Ben is in the wiretap and it looks like they gleaned it from Sam Smith. We all know how legit of a hack he is.

I see you edited... I haven't been to the Bull's board yet.

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Don't go if you haven't had breakfast yet

[Tommy Udo 6]

Sam Smith has been writing crap & making up traded about the Bulls for over 15 years. i have never known any of his trade proposals to have actually happened. not even close.

He basically just makes up stuff & shows an amazing lack of knowledge about the team he is supposed to be covering & also the BYC.

Bulls would include Duhon in a deal for Big Ben. They would also include rookies Curry or Nichols (both expiring deals). i dont see them including any other players unless the player coming back is an impact player who they really want. i cant see Ben W netting that kind of return.

However, Bulls are not shopping Duhon since he is very useful on the team (and is starting). They just wouldnt be adverse to including him if it meant that a deal gets done.

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But I would TRADE 2 of the local writers for our papers for Sam, he gets paid bigger bucks to invent stuff and your forum members and local residents are aware that he is just making up anything to turn in to his editor.


I didn't think your GM was that desperate to move Wallace that he would include Duhon. I've always liked his game as a backup point.

Well its been fun talking with you in this thread and I will be glad if you decide to drop by the future and if you are a gambling person IRL take Utah whenever Detroit plays the Jazz as long as Flip is our coach.

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[Grey]

Rob Parker has been writing articles based on conjecture for more years than I care to remember and this is just one of thousands.

Yes. I know that Rob Parker isn't the most reliable source for Pistons news. It was only a couple of weeks ago when he said Chris Webber would be rejoining the Pistons.

But this quote tells me all I need to know about Wallace's decision:

When asked if he made a mistake, Wallace didn't hesitate, "You live and learn," he told The Detroit News on Thursday.

It doesn't confirm his reasoning. But as ajaX82 pointed out, it couldn't have been because he loved Chicago or wanted to play for Scott Skiles.

edit: Cool. My 1,000 post, and it took only 6 years to get it. Will my badge be mailed to me, or will I have to pick it up in person?

[roc]

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we need some shoolhouse rock singing emoticons

[roc]

edit: Cool. My 1,000 post, and it took only 6 years to get it. Will my badge be mailed to me, or will I have to pick it up in person?

You can pick it up at the Palace will call.

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It doesn't confirm his reasoning. But as ajaX82 pointed out, it couldn't have been because he loved Chicago or wanted to play for Scott Skiles.

edit: Cool. My 1,000 post, and it took only 6 years to get it. Will my badge be mailed to me, or will I have to pick it up in person?

Glad that you and ajaX82 see that as confirming HE MADE THE DECISION BASED ON the MONEY.

What qualifies ajaX82 2 reasons as the ONLY other possibilities he could have used to make the decision in 2006.

I thought of 4 other things that could have influenced him and in the 24 hours this thread has been visible to thousands of people I am SURE others could come up with 5 or 6 more.


What you describe as not the most reliable source has been described by many as a National Inquire type approach to journalism.

Ben's quote of "you live and you learn" was addressed in my post with the word hindsight in it.


I notice the grammar police is around I won't bother to edit

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You can pick it up at the Palace will call.

He can't pick it up at the Palace, don't you remember ajaX82 said he owned Detroit so I vote that he takes it to Grey in Northern Michigan.
Mr D wouldn't want will call to be bothered with realGM awards. Remember No Pistons read this forum

[roc]

I notice the grammar police is around I won't bother to edit

reminds me of that monster fish that got away, hit the bait hard and kept runnin

[Grey]

Come on guys. If you're not familiar with The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, you've at least seen Blazing Saddles.