I hate to do this again, same old questionable trade...
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Piranha
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Look... here is what I think I know:
1. Artest will only get dealt to a contender. Why would a rebuilding team want him when he has made it clear he doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding situation.
2. Artest wants to get paid at the end of this season.
3. He has a ton of baggage and needs strong personalities to keep him in check.
To me... there are no teams in the league that can provide Artest with all 3 things listed. The Pistons can do #'s 1 and 3 for sure... and may even be able to do #2 winning becomes infectious.
Disclaimer:
If I were the Kings and the most I could get was the package I'm offering, I'd likely pass... keep him around until the end of the season... and hope to pull off a sign and trade with him. By not taking this deal, all I'd lose is a late 1st round pick and the opportunity to see what Herrmann could do (and potentially sign him).
I guess all I'm saying is Dumars should be doing his due dilligence and see how desparately the Kings want to move him.
1. Artest will only get dealt to a contender. Why would a rebuilding team want him when he has made it clear he doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding situation.
2. Artest wants to get paid at the end of this season.
3. He has a ton of baggage and needs strong personalities to keep him in check.
To me... there are no teams in the league that can provide Artest with all 3 things listed. The Pistons can do #'s 1 and 3 for sure... and may even be able to do #2 winning becomes infectious.
Disclaimer:
If I were the Kings and the most I could get was the package I'm offering, I'd likely pass... keep him around until the end of the season... and hope to pull off a sign and trade with him. By not taking this deal, all I'd lose is a late 1st round pick and the opportunity to see what Herrmann could do (and potentially sign him).
I guess all I'm saying is Dumars should be doing his due dilligence and see how desparately the Kings want to move him.
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jab
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r0cd0gg wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I will take that as a "no". I went to school and was friends with a guy (a Piston's fan BTW) nicknamed Piranha.
You say you have a friend named Piranha who is a Piston's fan? These repeat threads about Ron Artest in a Detroit Uniform are appearing faster than news about Britney. I'd welcome your friend to this forum, what are you waiting for.
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anytime i read about this guy in a pistons uni i wonder and marvel at the possibilities but then i just youtube this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NvZCPgwVotk
this is bound to get any true pistons fans blood boiling. im sure no one can deny ronrons ability or what he would bring to this team on the court but in this day in age basketball is as much off the court as it is on the in the nba or shall i say david sterns nba but thats a whole diffrent topic.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NvZCPgwVotk
this is bound to get any true pistons fans blood boiling. im sure no one can deny ronrons ability or what he would bring to this team on the court but in this day in age basketball is as much off the court as it is on the in the nba or shall i say david sterns nba but thats a whole diffrent topic.
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jab
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theBigLip wrote:Only another week or so for the end of the trade deadline - which means probably time for two more Artest threads
The end of the trade deadline in WHAT year? Ron is either suspended or on the block every year. I see these threads posted every year. IMO Chicago shipped him out when they noticed something.
Larry Legend looked the other way and 'pretended' he could help more than hurt his team. Maybe some are unaware as to how that worked out.
The Kings only traded for him to get keep from paying Peja. They have a new coach who is walking on eggshells trying to figure out how to win games and be Ron's babysitter. Kevin Martin and the team have to sit back and watch Ron dominate the ball and last week he gave his famous "I don't think this team needs me" speech.
I can't wait to see another team 'bite' on the Ron Artest act. History says the romance won't last long.
BTW Ron thinks that he's got time for one or two more trades also, I wouldn't bet on it though. My money is on his next meltdown being his last as an NBA player.
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who can ever know what rons thinking he w as on a sixty win team and we all know how that worked out even though he had some of the best trying to help him such as larry.Now he has what some would call his team and he still isnt "happy" the only reason he hasnt gone off is cause obviously the coach dosent demand too much from him. to think it would be diffrent here is foolish history repeats itslef and in ron artest's case its far too many times for him to be on this team no matter what he can do for us
go ahead now bashh the ballboy!!!!
go ahead now bashh the ballboy!!!!
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I think you are all forgetting that several other contending teams would be willing to include a first along with expirings to rent artest for a half season. The problem is... of course, Sac wants to include Thomas. If Detroit wants Artest, they would have to be willing to take on Kenny Thomas or add something of value to the pot; like our defensive minded rookie. In my mind the price is too high to pay.
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Piranha
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I agree that there should be no trade involving Artest to the Pistons if it involves:
a. Us having to take on Kenny Thomas
b. Us having to trade away a starter or a young, up and coming player
I don't understand how any of you could be opposed to Ron for the package I suggested, which essentially amount to a bag of peanuts and a very late 1st round pick.
Look... the past is the past. I bet if you asked key Pistons players, they'd be supportive of doing anything sensible to help them win right now. Adding Artest for essentially nothing could not hurt. If he implodes, he's benched/suspended and we have the same roster as we do now going into the playoffs. If he buys into the system, he'd be a hell of an asset to have for a half year.
a. Us having to take on Kenny Thomas
b. Us having to trade away a starter or a young, up and coming player
I don't understand how any of you could be opposed to Ron for the package I suggested, which essentially amount to a bag of peanuts and a very late 1st round pick.
Look... the past is the past. I bet if you asked key Pistons players, they'd be supportive of doing anything sensible to help them win right now. Adding Artest for essentially nothing could not hurt. If he implodes, he's benched/suspended and we have the same roster as we do now going into the playoffs. If he buys into the system, he'd be a hell of an asset to have for a half year.
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beau wrote:I think you are all forgetting that several other contending teams would be willing to include a first along with expirings to rent artest for a half season.
I agree with this, but also think most of those teams are in the Western Conference... which makes a deal with the Kings less likely imo.
Most contending Eastern Conference teams don't have the expirings (at least I don't think they do) to get a deal done.
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beau
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Piranha wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I agree with this, but also think most of those teams are in the Western Conference... which makes a deal with the Kings less likely imo.
Most contending Eastern Conference teams don't have the expirings (at least I don't think they do) to get a deal done.
The kings arent a team that will be contending any time soon, so they probably dont care where Artest goes as long as its the best deal for the Kings(especially considering Artest will go to the highest bidder in the off season). Denver has already offered expirings and a first for artest, and their first will be better than Detroits!
To get artest, we need to sweeten the pot and I dont want to pay the price.
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beau wrote:The kings arent a team that will be contending any time soon, so they probably dont care where Artest goes as long as its the best deal for the Kings(especially considering Artest will go to the highest bidder in the off season). Denver has already offered expirings and a first for artest, and their first will be better than Detroits!
To get artest, we need to sweeten the pot and I dont want to pay the price.
Memphis didn't seem to mind sending Gasol to the Lakers. I don't think they will pull 2 coups (if'n ya consider Artest to be such) though as Sactown hates LA.
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