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Just curious: Could we trade McDyess, have the other team... 

Post#1 » by HeroicKennedy » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:34 pm

Buy him out (we'd send them the money), resign him for the vet's minimum, and then him give him a two year contract after the season?

Just curious, because the Mavs traded Stackhouse, but by all accounts he's supposed to be bought out. And that could be a way to attain someone who has a large contract but a good player.
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Post#2 » by bstein14 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:38 pm

Well nothing can be in writing.

You can't put in the trade agreement that the player must be bought out.

Obviously if certain things are agreed to under the table then this situation could happen.

We could resign him to a cheap minimum deal 30 days after being waived, but could not give him a big money deal until the offseason with the MLE.
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Post#3 » by Truth1210 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:03 pm

bstein14 wrote:Well nothing can be in writing.

You can't put in the trade agreement that the player must be bought out.

Obviously if certain things are agreed to under the table then this situation could happen.

We could resign him to a cheap minimum deal 30 days after being waived, but could not give him a big money deal until the offseason with the MLE.



I have heard that playoff rosters have to be set by March 1st if true even if we got McDyess back, he couldn't play in this yrs playoffs (same with Stackhouse and Dallas)
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Post#4 » by bstein14 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:05 pm

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I have heard that playoff rosters have to be set by March 1st if true even if we got McDyess back, he couldn't play in this yrs playoffs (same with Stackhouse and Dallas)


To be on a playoff roster, the player must be waived before March 1st.

So that's not a concern here.
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Post#5 » by Hunter » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:05 pm

Dice isn't an expiring contract.
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Post#6 » by bstein14 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:09 pm

Hunter wrote:Dice isn't an expiring contract.


A contract doesn't have to be expiring in order to buy it out.

For example, Dice has one year guaranteed after this.

We trade Dice + $3 mil cash expirings to Sacramento for Brad Miller.

Sacramento and Dice workout a buyout for $3 mil

Dice clears waivers, waits 30 days, resigns with the Pistons.

In the Summer we spend the MLE on Dice.

Dice would get $3 million for the rest of his 32 games this season, plus the min contract he'd sign here, plus sign a new MLE deal next summer.
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Post#7 » by Low-Ki » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:29 pm

We could, but we have to worry about the luxury tax. We'll have basically the MLE to spend in the FA market next year. If we move McDyess right now and get his current contract in return, along with the promise of re-signing McDyess we'd be right at the tax threshold. And if we used any of our expirings to get a bigger contract in return we'd be over the Lux. tax threshold.
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Post#8 » by GJense4181 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:33 pm

^Just so I'm interpreting this correctly:
We trade McDyess AND $3 million in expirings AND $3 million in cash for the buyout?
I suppose we could trade McDyess/Brezec/Murray/cash in a swap for expirings, but why would they?
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Post#9 » by GJense4181 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:35 pm

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Post#10 » by Low-Ki » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:39 pm

Well in his scenario Brad Miller has two years remaining. This allows us to have enough "expirings" to get him. Without the buyout, we wouldn't have the expiring contracts necessary.

Basically this is a loophole that will allow any team to trade a player making at or less than the MLE to be bought out and return in 30 days. Because than the original team simply handshake promises to use their MLE the next season to re-sign the player for the length of their current (pre-trade) contract, so the player loses nothing and his team gets better.
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Post#11 » by GJense4181 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:46 pm

^Oh, I didn't know his contract situation. I normally look those sort of things up, too.

We'd be, in a month:
Billups/Stuckey/Hunter
Hamilton/Afflalo/Hayes
Prince/Hayes/Johnson
McDyess/Maxiell/Johnson
Wallace/Miller/McDyess
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Post#12 » by roc » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:56 pm

One thing that would suck in that Brad Miller scenario would be having to take back Dice.

Sheed/Miller/Dice................./Maxiell.................................................../Amir

don't like that idea

now if Dice didn't comeback...
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Post#13 » by jab » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:07 am

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Post#14 » by roc » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:36 am

I also know that Joe won't ship him out.

If he gets his ring though...
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Post#15 » by Rodya » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:04 am

r0cd0gg wrote:I also know that Joe won't ship him out.

If he gets his ring though...


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