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Game 45: 76ers @ Detroit // Fri. 8pm on FS Detroit HD

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Post#141 » by nasty daddy » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:22 am

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Free-throw issues: The Pistons had a rough time making free throws, with everybody from the normally dead-on Billups to Rip Hamilton to Antonio McDyess missing.They came into the game shooting 76.3 percent from the line. Against the 76ers, the Pistons were a 18-for-28. "As a coach you always look at how you shoot from the free-throw line," Saunders said. "If you shoot poorly, you think you're not into the game."But thankfully for the Pistons, Billups and Hamilton hit free throws when it counted. Both sunk a pair in the final minute of the game, helping the Pistons close for the win. McDyess, in particular, struggled. He missed his first four free throws, in pretty bad fashion. He finally connected on the fifth attempt, drawing a relieved smile. But it wasn't a signal that McDyess' touch was back. He continued to miss, finishing at 6-for-12 from the line.

Second-guessing: Despite Saunders going to the bench early and often, Amir Johnson disappeared in the second half. He had two rebounds and a blocked shot in nearly five minutes of time in the first half. Saunders was asked why Johnson stayed on the bench in the second half. "I thought about using him a little bit, but at the time, 'Sheed (Wallace) was going well, 'Dyess was rebounding the ball and we were getting open at the rim," Saunders said. "I mean, it's impossible for us to play 12. We do have to face that fact at some point. "I can play Amir the next game, and you will ask me about not playing Jason (Maxiell ), and then you can ask me about not playing Theo (Ratliff ), so we could have this conversation every night."

Slam dunks: Detroit native Willie Green (Detroit Mercy) did not make the trip with the 76ers. He has a lower back strain and remained in Philadelphia for treatment. Despite all the opportunities, the seven-member Pistons bench only scored a collective 14 points. The 76ers three playing reserves scored 23 in total.

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Post#142 » by 7r5ur » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:50 am

It's now official. Flip has managed to take a solid move (adding Theo), and turn it into a terrible one by cutting Max/AJ's minutes instead of Dice's.

Also, when was the last time this team really out executed a team down the stretch of a game? Just wondering, I can't seem to remember. This team used to be money in a close game down the stretch. Now we have to be up by double digits, or stumble to a shaky win. Not sure what happened, though I can take a guess...
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Post#143 » by nasty daddy » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:16 am

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Billups scored 15 points but had only two assists. Rasheed Wallace returned after missing two games with a sprained left ankle. Wallace was one of the Pistons' few bright spots, scoring a team-high 17 points to go with five rebounds.

But overall, the Pistons played with next-to-no energy, and it was clearly disturbing to Saunders afterward.

"We were terrible," he said. "We were trying to find someone who could play. Rasheed looked good. Chauncey looked good at times. Our energy level -- as I told our starters -- we put our bench in a very awkward situation when you play that bad with that lack of energy early ... because now they get in the game and it's almost if every play is a huge play."

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Post#144 » by nasty daddy » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:23 am

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The Sixers' 83-82 victory Wednesday night at the Palace was their 13th in 17 games. They're on pace to face the Pistons in the first round of the playoffs.

Pistons coach Flip Saunders said that possibility wouldn't change his approach in the teams' final two meetings of the regular season. But Saunders has been impressed with the Sixers' recent surge.

"They're getting out in the open floor and they're scoring off their defense," he said. "I think Thaddeus Young has been phenomenal for them here as a young player. He's come in and stepped it up. ... They're getting a lot of transition because they're getting steals, they're really pushing the issue as far as in the open floor, and it's made them very effective."

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Post#145 » by Hunter » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:41 am

BDM22 wrote:It's now official. Flip has managed to take a solid move (adding Theo), and turn it into a terrible one by cutting Max/AJ's minutes instead of Dice's.

Also, when was the last time this team really out executed a team down the stretch of a game? Just wondering, I can't seem to remember. This team used to be money in a close game down the stretch. Now we have to be up by double digits, or stumble to a shaky win. Not sure what happened, though I can take a guess...
LB was one of, if not the best coaches in the league at game planning and drawing up out of bounds plays. It might not have been sexy to see us walk the ball up, but the team knew how to execute and LB knew what plays to call.

Part of the problem I have with Flips "Flex" offensive is that it's reactionary. That is to say it's designed to take what the defense gives us. The problem with that is we're frequently given jump shots and that makes us a perimeter oriented team. We'll rarely dictate to the other team how our offense is actually run. That's why you'll so frequently see us go away from advantageous matchups or effective plays; we'll go with the path of least resistance.

In some ways I feel that makes us mentally weak. I actually miss the Carlisle days when we'd just pound a matchup until the opposing team proved they could stop it.

The other problem we have is our offensive execution is entirely reliant on balance. Against good defensive teams such as Boston & San Antonio we often struggle. Look at what Miami did to us 2 years or Cleveland last year where we averaged around 82-85 ppg or what we're doing against Boston this year. All they have to do is disrupt out balance and we struggle.

And when Dice isn't hitting (he's really slowed down recently as he did in the ECF) that puts even more pressure on the remaining starters. If the opposing team can take away just one of our guys then suddenly we're virtually playing 3 on 5 at the offensive end and we really struggle to score. We don't have that individually dominant player that can break down the defense or really create easy baskets for anybody else. We have to work hard for every shot we get. We don't run. We aren't a great offensive rebounding team. Nobody consistently draws double teams. Hard to win games against good teams when you can't even break 85.

There are 2 solutions that don't involve trading for an elite scorer; run more and send more people to the offensive glass. We need to find ways to generate more easy baskets against elite defensive teams because frankly we aren't good enough to score on them at the pace we need to out of our set offense.
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Post#146 » by Phobo_Phile » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:58 am

r0cd0gg wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I'll go with Uncle Ted from his Amboy Dukes period...

Live and let live it up to each his bone,
que sera sera, all power to the flesh egg,
don't be caught with a fresh flesh floozy stuck between your teeth. 8)


Holy obscure references batman, FTW!

As far as the game goes, meh. As a viewer I was even bored. When Chauncey missed the last shot I literally went "Okay dear, turn it to the new episode of South Park"

I'm just not going to judge our team or Philly's off of this game. In a perfect world our team would play hard every night, but we all know in the Saunders era, that's just not possible.
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Post#147 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:30 pm

This game and recent weeks have shown me something. This team goes as Rip does. He's the guy that gets the Pistons their easy baskets. If he's struggling it's not great for the team. Sure Sheed and others can get theirs, but it's so bogged down and difficult.

Last night was a perfect example. Rip was overmatched with AI and that alone was the difference in the game.
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Post#148 » by Greyhound » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:07 pm

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Yup.

Flip said he's just trying out different combinations and hopefully that's all it is. I want to see this Ratliff/Sheed/Amir lineup being talked about.


That sounds great but at the moment I would even settle for Rasheed and Ratliff. As a combination they received exactly 0 minutes of playing time in the Philadelphia game.
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Post#149 » by Hunter » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:04 pm

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That sounds great but at the moment I would even settle for Rasheed and Ratliff. As a combination they received exactly 0 minutes of playing time in the Philadelphia game.
Wow, seriously?

I realize it's to late in the season to happen now, but I'd actually be in favor of starting Theo, although limiting him to about 12-15 mpg. Not sure I would have said that a week ago, but I wasn't sure how much he had left in the tank.

I like setting that defensive tone early, and I actually like Dice better in that 22-24 mpg role off the bench.
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Post#150 » by Liqourish » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:11 pm

I don't think Dice should be a starter if he continues to turn into Ben Wallace on offense late in the year. When he misses open dunks/layups and then misses half his free throws... it's time to move him back to the bench and reduce his minutes. I don't see Flip doing that now though, because that would be an adjustment and he hasn't shown that he even knows what that word means.

I must have watched a different game 'cause I game I watched, everyone swooned over Ratliffs one monsterous block but then ignored his turnovers (of which he only got credited for one and his other two were given to his teammates) and missed defensive assignments. I think he'll be good for 5-10 mins off the bench for defense. I don't see the point in giving him regular minutes or re-signing him at this point.
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Post#151 » by nasty daddy » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:26 pm

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Mr. Big Shot couldn't deliver in the last second. Sometimes, justice really is served. If Chauncey Billups' 18-footer with 0.4 seconds remaining had gone in, the Pistons should have been locked up for stealing. Listless, disjointed efforts should not be rewarded, so Philadelphia got a much-deserved, 83-82 win at The Palace Wednesday night. "We just played too cool," Flip Saunders said. "That's always been the rap against us, that we play too cool at times. We didn't get nasty. The score is no indication of how we played, losing by one. We played a lot worse than that."

Losing like this could have some longterm implications. The Sixers have the Eastern Conference's seventh-best record and might face the Pistons in the opening round of the playoffs. There was no need to give the Sixers this much of a mental boost with the postseason five weeks away. "A team like that, you've got to take it to them early," Billups said. "You've got to kind of show them early how the game is going to be. We didn't do that and they got confidence and from there, it's like a snowball effect."

When the Pistons have as many turnovers as assists, they usually have a snowball's chance in you-know-where of winning. They had 15 of each, which also matched their scoring output in the fourth quarter.

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Post#152 » by Liqourish » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:49 pm

Bring back Rick Carlisle!!! :curse:

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