Rob Parker: "Pistons like Rudy Gay a lot"

[Redeemed]

Gay doesnt have to have alot of talent as long as his peers have none. RIght now hes a top 3-5 player at his position. Sure in 1986 he would be a bench player or out of the league but in 2012 he will be an allstar and he will be an MVP candidate. Imagine what Alex English or Kiki or Aguirre would command today?

The market is about supply and demand. Currently there is no supply of wing players and a huge demand. Rudy Gay actualy might have more value than Kobe and certainly more than Wade.

Again the whole premise that the best team in the NBA is looking to do a salary dump of its best player to get under the tax is just so far fetched to be nothing but a joke thread.

Looking back in recent history I could only find one such trade and that was Nique who was an expireing deal.

Oh and 2017 is coming alot faster than you think. Thats just 3 seasons away. You realy want to break this team up and start another rebuild in 4 seasons?

Lebron
Durant

Melo

Iggy
Batum
Granger
Pierce

MKG
Barnes
K. Leonard

The first two are the very best, who Gay has no chance of supplanting. Melo is Gay's ceiling with a little more efficiency to his game and killer instinct. Then there comes the next tier of 4 guys with whom Gay is comparable to right now. So at best he's forth or as low as eighth, depending on how you rank that next group. The last 3 guys are highly touted young guys who could be superior to Gay within 2 years. By the way, Rudy makes more than MOST of these guys. So I think for the level of play he gives you, and the fact that he's clearly worse than 3 guys at his position, and comparable with 4 others that he makes more than, I think you value him just a little high. Do I want him? Yes, because I wouldn't care if he looked for his shot first on this team, as long as its not Maggette-like. And plus, he won't be commanding even $17 mil, let alone $22 when his contract is up. If he did, the Pistons wouldn't be the ones paying him. But for you to bring up the MVP candidate nonsense and the other remarks you made is ridiculous.

Gay is above the Iggy tier and below the Melo Tier. I think Gay is more along the lines of a player who can effect the game as a scoer, facilitator, and defender. He has a complete game. There are very few holes. Melo is not his ceiling because h doesn't have that unconscious scorer's mentality but he is a lockdown defender with an well rounded skillset.

BTW I would put Pierce in a higher Tier than the Iggy group. He has proven himself at the highest levels of the game. And he can still close games int he clutch.

[DetroitSho]

Gay doesnt have to have alot of talent as long as his peers have none. RIght now hes a top 3-5 player at his position. Sure in 1986 he would be a bench player or out of the league but in 2012 he will be an allstar and he will be an MVP candidate. Imagine what Alex English or Kiki or Aguirre would command today?

The market is about supply and demand. Currently there is no supply of wing players and a huge demand. Rudy Gay actualy might have more value than Kobe and certainly more than Wade.

Again the whole premise that the best team in the NBA is looking to do a salary dump of its best player to get under the tax is just so far fetched to be nothing but a joke thread.

Looking back in recent history I could only find one such trade and that was Nique who was an expireing deal.

Oh and 2017 is coming alot faster than you think. Thats just 3 seasons away. You realy want to break this team up and start another rebuild in 4 seasons?

Lebron
Durant

Melo

Iggy
Batum
Granger
Pierce

MKG
Barnes
K. Leonard

The first two are the very best, who Gay has no chance of supplanting. Melo is Gay's ceiling with a little more efficiency to his game and killer instinct. Then there comes the next tier of 4 guys with whom Gay is comparable to right now. So at best he's forth or as low as eighth, depending on how you rank that next group. The last 3 guys are highly touted young guys who could be superior to Gay within 2 years. By the way, Rudy makes more than MOST of these guys. So I think for the level of play he gives you, and the fact that he's clearly worse than 3 guys at his position, and comparable with 4 others that he makes more than, I think you value him just a little high. Do I want him? Yes, because I wouldn't care if he looked for his shot first on this team, as long as its not Maggette-like. And plus, he won't be commanding even $17 mil, let alone $22 when his contract is up. If he did, the Pistons wouldn't be the ones paying him. But for you to bring up the MVP candidate nonsense and the other remarks you made is ridiculous.

Gay is above the Iggy tier and below the Melo Tier. I think Gay is more along the lines of a player who can effect the game as a scoer, facilitator, and defender. He has a complete game. There are very few holes. Melo is not his ceiling because h doesn't have that unconscious scorer's mentality but he is a lockdown defender with an well rounded skillset.

BTW I would put Pierce in a higher Tier than the Iggy group. He has proven himself at the highest levels of the game. And he can still close games int he clutch.

Did you just call Rudy Gay a lockdown defender? If anything that goes to Iggy and Iggy is a better facilitator, with Gay having the better ability to create his own shot. That, to me, puts them in the same company. And yeah PRIME Pierce is above these guys and above Melo. But 2012 Pierce is in this grouping.

[Redeemed]

Did I call Gay a lockdown defender? Yes. He has the size and quickness to efficiently guard several positions.

I understand what you're saying about Iggy as a facilitator, but I would still give the edge to Gay. Iggy's T/Os are well above Gay's.

We agree Gay is better at creating his own shot.

In the 4th quarter of the 7th game in the Finals with the Championship on the line, do you give the ball to Pierce or Iggy? Even this far in Pierce's career looking like he is liable to fall and need life alert, I would still give him the ball hands down.

Pierce in his prime is not better than Melo. Maybe he is comparable to Melo, but better? Nah.

I appreciate your insights DetroitSho.

[ComboGuardCity]

Did I call Gay a lockdown defender? Yes. He has the size and quickness to efficiently guard several positions.

I understand what you're saying about Iggy as a facilitator, but I would still give the edge to Gay. Iggy's T/Os are well above Gay's.

We agree Gay is better at creating his own shot.

In the 4th quarter of the 7th game in the Finals with the Championship on the line, do you give the ball to Pierce or Iggy? Even this far in Pierce's career looking like he is liable to fall and need life alert, I would still give him the ball hands down.

Pierce in his prime is not better than Melo. Maybe he is comparable to Melo, but better? Nah.

I appreciate your insights DetroitSho.

[BadMofoPimp]

Personally, considering all their contracts, I would probably still take Afflalo and then sign Tony Allen for about $3 mil. Then, you still may have cap room.

[ballhawk1]

The Pistons like a lot of other players too. In fact, if Pau Gasol can garner interest I bet a lot of teams would jump all over a trade for Rudy Gay. Dumars is probably adamant on not wanting to trade Monroe, Drummond and Knight so that would make the Pistons a less desirable trade partner.

On another note, I wouldn't want Rudy Gay unless we acquire a legitimate point guard. Steph Curry is a legitimate point guard.

[Redeemed]

The Pistons like a lot of other players too. In fact, if Pau Gasol can garner interest I bet a lot of teams would jump all over a trade for Rudy Gay. Dumars is probably adamant on not wanting to trade Monroe, Drummond and Knight so that would make the Pistons a less desirable trade partner.

On another note, I wouldn't want Rudy Gay unless we acquire a legitimate point guard. Steph Curry is a legitimate point guard.

Are you saying BK7 will never be legit? Do you think it's too early to tell? Are you saying you can only justify taking on a salary like Gay's if we have a win now team?

[DetroitSho]

Did I call Gay a lockdown defender? Yes. He has the size and quickness to efficiently guard several positions.

I understand what you're saying about Iggy as a facilitator, but I would still give the edge to Gay. Iggy's T/Os are well above Gay's.

We agree Gay is better at creating his own shot.

In the 4th quarter of the 7th game in the Finals with the Championship on the line, do you give the ball to Pierce or Iggy? Even this far in Pierce's career looking like he is liable to fall and need life alert, I would still give him the ball hands down.

Pierce in his prime is not better than Melo. Maybe he is comparable to Melo, but better? Nah.

I appreciate your insights DetroitSho.

No problem Redeemed. Always good to have good discussions. While Gay has the physical tools to do it, the fact is he doesn't do it as well as Iggy. And of course you would give the ball to Pierce in that instance above the other guys in that tier, but currently game-in/game-out he really doesn't impact the game that much greater than the other guys.

And to me, his peak was a little better than Melo. He was MONEY!

[Piston Pete]

One benefit to trading for Gay would be his salary.

When he looks to get extended, it will be at a much smaller dollar amount, ie new CBA. Re-signing (extending) Gay will automatically CREATE cap space.

[ballhawk1]

The Pistons like a lot of other players too. In fact, if Pau Gasol can garner interest I bet a lot of teams would jump all over a trade for Rudy Gay. Dumars is probably adamant on not wanting to trade Monroe, Drummond and Knight so that would make the Pistons a less desirable trade partner.

On another note, I wouldn't want Rudy Gay unless we acquire a legitimate point guard. Steph Curry is a legitimate point guard.

Are you saying BK7 will never be legit? Do you think it's too early to tell? Are you saying you can only justify taking on a salary like Gay's if we have a win now team?

As of now Brandon Knight is not a legitimate point guard. That said, the making of a point guard is a long process that may never succeed. It hurts when your point guard does not have consistent court vision and is an average finisher. I hope Brandon becomes a legitimate point guard one day. Rudy Gay's numbers would take a big dip if he were traded to Detroit. Why acquire a highly paid player whose value is going to decrease to play for a non-contending team?

[BadMofoPimp]

Rudy Gay will never be worth his contract. Never. He is very good, but is being paid to be great like a Superstar. He isn't even close to a superstar, but is just another all-star caliber player like Rashard Lewis that won the lotto.

[Sheeeeed]

People need to jump off the Gay train. If the Grizzlies are worried about the luxury tax, they can just amnesty Zbo.

[Redeemed]

The Pistons like a lot of other players too. In fact, if Pau Gasol can garner interest I bet a lot of teams would jump all over a trade for Rudy Gay. Dumars is probably adamant on not wanting to trade Monroe, Drummond and Knight so that would make the Pistons a less desirable trade partner.

On another note, I wouldn't want Rudy Gay unless we acquire a legitimate point guard. Steph Curry is a legitimate point guard.

Are you saying BK7 will never be legit? Do you think it's too early to tell? Are you saying you can only justify taking on a salary like Gay's if we have a win now team?

As of now Brandon Knight is not a legitimate point guard. That said, the making of a point guard is a long process that may never succeed. It hurts when your point guard does not have consistent court vision and is an average finisher. I hope Brandon becomes a legitimate point guard one day. Rudy Gay's numbers would take a big dip if he were traded to Detroit. Why acquire a highly paid player whose value is going to decrease to play for a non-contending team?

Thanks for the clarification ballhawk1. The PG position is a long process and it requires work ethic, intelligence, and patience to properly develop. In the small sample set we've seen from BK7 he has shown himself to be a workhorse with a high aptitude. We can be confident that he will continue to grind until he gets the nuances of the position (getting his guys in position, controlling tempo, protecting the ball, balancing scoring and distributing).

You also mentioned the process of making a point guard is long. Brandon Knight has recently played the equivalent of a full regular season. So it is reasonable to give him more time to grow into his position.

As for Gay's numbers dipping on a noncontender, I actually thought the opposite. I thought with more responsibility to carry the team, he would have increased shots, minutes, etc. which should show up prominently in the box score. Gay only averages about 19 right now because he is on a stacked team.

[mercury]

People need to jump off the Gay train.

Why am I picturing mass suicide in San Francisco?

[vege]

lol