DEN VS DET @ 7:30 PM

[dlo62282]

Max>Drummond> Monroe. This game.

MAX eat babies. 6 blks. I love how you guys blame frank for everything. Some of you guys have no clue at what you are talking about, it is almost comical. We have two centers and two pfs who are in the rotation but people want monroe at pf for 20 mins plus. It makes no sense.

You guys whine and complain about Frank playing the guys that he have.

[qm22]

Yeah, Detroit has to be concerned with the fact Monroe might want to sign elsewhere because we blow.

Gores needs to fire Joe and Frank after this season. Entice a top flight GM here with the top 3-4 pick and he can bring in a coach with all the young talent we'd have and without the terrible coaching track record Joe has that keeps good coaches away.

Monroe is going to want a max contract. If the Pistons want him he won't turn down the money.

The real concern is giving him a max contract given his trend this season.

[Goldtop]

Max>Drummond> Monroe. This game.

MAX eat babies. 6 blks. I love how you guys blame frank for everything. Some of you guys have no clue at what you are talking about, it is almost comical. We have two centers and two pfs who are in the rotation but people want monroe at pf for 20 mins plus. It makes no sense.

You guys whine and complain about Frank playing the guys that he have.

So why did they draft Drummond then, if they viewed both he and Monroe as playing the same position?? THAT is what makes no sense.

If they didn't think they could play together they either shouldn't have drafted Drummond, or they should trade Monroe. If they do believe they can play together, then there is no excuse for them not playing together, and the only person to blame for that is Frank choosing not to.

[Jodi]

Max>Drummond> Monroe. This game.

MAX eat babies. 6 blks. I love how you guys blame frank for everything. Some of you guys have no clue at what you are talking about, it is almost comical. We have two centers and two pfs who are in the rotation but people want monroe at pf for 20 mins plus. It makes no sense.

You guys whine and complain about Frank playing the guys that he have.

Usually the guys that whine are the ones that don't know the game of basketball...There are a couple of posters here who know the game pretty well though...Now back to your comment: You could blame Frank because he rarely uses Moose and Drummond together, especially when Drummond's having a good night...Monroe and Drummond really complement each other...

[dlo62282]

Max>Drummond> Monroe. This game.

MAX eat babies. 6 blks. I love how you guys blame frank for everything. Some of you guys have no clue at what you are talking about, it is almost comical. We have two centers and two pfs who are in the rotation but people want monroe at pf for 20 mins plus. It makes no sense.

You guys whine and complain about Frank playing the guys that he have.

Usually the guys that whine are the ones that don't know the game of basketball...There are a couple of posters here who know the game pretty well though...Now back to your comment: You could blame Frank because he rarely uses Moose and Drummond together, especially when Drummond's having a good night...Monroe and Drummond really complement each other...

Yes, they compliment each other but who is our back up center then? Maxiel? Charlie? And its not like maxiel is playing bad. But blame frank cause monroe is playing bad the past few games is moronic, maxiel plays well off drummond and monroe. Monroe is just missing easy shots.

[joseph mamah]

what it boils down to is Dre and Moose are the only guys who can play center on our roster, I dont know why we went out and signed a Euro guy who wasnt even ready to contribute 10/12 mins a night when there were decent veterans available who could have been had for close to the same mpney, but we did.

add the fact that they basically have Dre on a pitch count, which after watching Singler wear down after being played heavy minutes for a stretch, probably isnt a bad thing. but its not really possible to play Moose and Dre together for any significant amount of time until VKs ready or they bring someone else in.

its frustrating, but it is what it is and will be addressed at some point this season.

[srt4b]

its frustrating, but it is what it is and will be addressed at some point this season.

You must be new around here. **** hasn't been "addressed" in about 5 years.

[joseph mamah]

nah, im just one of the few who still has a little faith left in Joe. key word being little.

[dlo62282]

what it boils down to is Dre and Moose are the only guys who can play center on our roster, I dont know why we went out and signed a Euro guy who wasnt even ready to contribute 10/12 mins a night when there were decent veterans available who could have been had for close to the same mpney, but we did.

add the fact that they basically have Dre on a pitch count, which after watching Singler wear down after being played heavy minutes for a stretch, probably isnt a bad thing. but its not really possible to play Moose and Dre together for any significant amount of time until VKs ready or they bring someone else in.

its frustrating, but it is what it is and will be addressed at some point this season.

Good post! Dre is being along slowly, he is a young big. He does not need heavy minutes right now. I dont care about wins right now, i think people are upset because they want Dre to dominate and win some rookie award or team.

[Jodi]

Max>Drummond> Monroe. This game.

MAX eat babies. 6 blks. I love how you guys blame frank for everything. Some of you guys have no clue at what you are talking about, it is almost comical. We have two centers and two pfs who are in the rotation but people want monroe at pf for 20 mins plus. It makes no sense.

You guys whine and complain about Frank playing the guys that he have.

Usually the guys that whine are the ones that don't know the game of basketball...There are a couple of posters here who know the game pretty well though...Now back to your comment: You could blame Frank because he rarely uses Moose and Drummond together, especially when Drummond's having a good night...Monroe and Drummond really complement each other...

Yes, they compliment each other but who is our back up center then? Maxiel? Charlie? And its not like maxiel is playing bad. But blame frank cause monroe is playing bad the past few games is moronic, maxiel plays well off drummond and monroe. Monroe is just missing easy shots.

Our back-up Center could still be Monroe or Drummond if Frank used his rotations differently...We could first go Max/Monroe, then go Monroe/Drummond, after that go Charlie/Drummond, next go Max/Drummond, then finish it with Max/Monroe...If Drummond is have a good game we could finish the game with Monroe/Drummond...I understand that Dumars and Frank allows Max to play big minutes because it's his contract year, but it's possible to play Monroe/Drummond more if we wanted to...

[Blkbrd671]

All this negativity will be cured with a win. Still think our coaches are approaching drummond the wrong way.i understand we need to be patient, but my concern is that frank is going to lose the locker room .

[joseph mamah]

@ Jodi, right now it seems like they have Dre on about a 20 min limit. he plays more some games but then he'll play less in the next few games to balance it out. with Drummond stuck at about 20 Moose has to play 28 mins a game at center. Monroes only averaging 32, that only leaves about 4 mins a game that they could potentially play together. we need somebody who can give us a solid 12 a night at C so that Greg and Dre could get about 15 a night together.

[Kilo]

I don't think many here figured Drummond would average near 20 minutes a game this year.

I don't mind the limit, but the lack of PT with Monroe is what bothers me. If we need to bring in another center - cut Daye and bring in Ben Wallace - he could still play 10 minutes a game backing it up.

[Blkbrd671]

I don't think many here figured Drummond would average near 20 minutes a game this year.

I don't mind the limit, but the lack of PT with Monroe is what bothers me. If we need to bring in another center - cut Daye and bring in Ben Wallace - he could still play 10 minutes a game backing it up.

i think thats the only thing left to b* about at this point. The thing i don't like is when the opposing teams go on a run and its obvious that Drummonds presence could effected a lot of the points being scored and yet we stick with a lineup like CV and moose or Max and Moose. Maxiell is a shot blocking presence but Dre is lane presence where opponents in the lane need to know where he's at , at all times

[OneBadMutha]

Pistons ran a 3 man rotation up front for a few years with Dice as 6th man. No reason they can't do it now. Between Drummond, Monroe and Maxiell, you can play any combination of the three for extended minutes.

Maxiell's value is as high as it'll ever be this year. He can help a contender. I don't trust a re-signing of a guy. He's only been in shape during contract years.

This team does need a trade for sake of a trade. Don't like their chemistry. In some ways, I can't blame Frank. He's gotta play guys who are producing and that will only increase their values. But a guy like Maggette is only playing because he's a vet and if a rookie plays in place of him and makes mistakes, it hurts a coaches credibility with his team. He brings nothing to this team that gels or makes any young guy better.

Maxiell and Maggette need to be moved simply to help make room for youth. It's not tanking when they're already losing with the vets.

I think every fan could stomach the losses more if Drummond was starting and guys like English and Kravstov were getting time off the bench.

...and Stuckey is re-regressing. Just don't get his season after last year and the end of the season before that. He knows how to pass the ball. He's just goes thru stretches where he's unwilling.

I can defend Frank as long as the young guys are progressing. Monroe is taking big steps back and Knight is a yo-yo game to game...and sometimes quarter to quarter.

Dumars needs to step in and make this rotation easier before the pistons crumble for the season. It's not a good way to raise young guys to play the right way. Pistons look on the verge of complete season collapse right now the way they've done for the past few years. They can afford to miss the playoffs. They can't afford to collectively throw up the white flag this early in the season.

[Goldtop]

Its typical Pistons developing players at the wrong positions. If they know Monroe is going to have to play PF the rest of his career, in order for him to play with Drummond, then why are they messing around with him at Center still?

Its only going to make his development at PF take even longer.

[StickAndMove]

Why is it so important to have someone on our bench who can play center? Obviously that's an issue we need to address, but I would much rather see Monroe and Drummond getting time on the court together and letting our team lack a backup C. Sign Ben back if it's that big of a deal. Our future lies with Andre, Greg, and Brandon. Our main priority this year should be their development. If we lose more games in the process, so be it. More ping pong balls for us to give us a shot at Shabazz. If we have Knight, Bazz, and Drummond, I doubt Greg is gonna want to leave.

[Brapman]

There is no way anyone can say right now that Slava won't be a good center in this league, and at the minimum a good backup center. His time to be in the rotation will come - likely this season. I really liked what I saw from him this summer. The problem is that the Pistons have a lot of players who they need to evaluate, and it's impossible to evaluate any player or combinations of players without giving them a long (10?) string of consecutive games with signficant minutes in the rotation. It'll take all season long to give everyone his shot.

Monroe has to move to PF before that happens. Alternatively, Monroe or Drummond has to be out with an injury before that happens. But it will happen.

[Goldtop]

The excuse that Drummond can't start because we have no backup Center is a very poor one.

I've never heard of a team in any sport that didn't start their best player because they didn't have a good enough backup for him. That makes absolutely no sense.