Calderon

[Goldtop]

I don't get why dribble penetration is a prerequisite if you are a great shooter and great passer instead?

If he was a great dribble penetrator too, he'd be CP3. Can't expect him to do everything. Rip was never a great driver. Chauncey wasn't that great either. Stuckey and Bynum are both great drivers - how'd that work out?

Calderons defense is a problem, but you aren't going to have lockdown defenders at every position. Rip wasn't the greatest defender either. We need our frontcourt to be great defensively. We can get away with our guards not being so great. If he gets beat off the dribble he just needs to funnel his guy towards Drummonds direction for the block. And Moose needs to wake up and stay focused on D and at least learn how to be in the right position to set up Drummond for the block

Rip was a DPOY compared to Calderon. Penetration is not about paint scoring. If everyone collapses, then 3 point shooters/mid-range are wide open. A team like the Nuggets would feast even with Drummond in the middle.

No one said anything about our entire team going to the paint to stop 1 penetrating guard.

Our perimeter defenders will just stay home on the 3 pt shooters while Drummond protects the paint.

If Calderons man is in the paint penetrating, and both their bigs are in the paint, there's only going to be two 3 pt shooters to cover - their SG and SF. Our SG and SF can stay home on them, knowing Drummond is there to protect the basket.

We beat the Spurs w/ Parker, where all they do is penetrate for 3's, and are much better at it than DEN. We managed to win despite Calderons bad defense, and we had no Drummond.

There's no sense in talking about Calderons defense until we see him with Drummond behind him, because our team defense will look totally different. Besides, we don't need to be a championship defense with Calderon. By the time we are ready to win championships, Calderon will be retired. We just need to be a playoff caliber defense, and with Drummond down low, I think we can be that w/ JC, despite his bad defense

[rmfc]

I don't get why dribble penetration is a prerequisite if you are a great shooter and great passer instead?

If he was a great dribble penetrator too, he'd be CP3. Can't expect him to do everything. Rip was never a great driver. Chauncey wasn't that great either. Stuckey and Bynum are both great drivers - how'd that work out?

Calderons defense is a problem, but you aren't going to have lockdown defenders at every position. Rip wasn't the greatest defender either. We need our frontcourt to be great defensively. We can get away with our guards not being so great.

So, as a PG, all Calderon does it dribble, dribble, dribble until someone becomes open for a jump shot? He doesn't drive to the hoop in a half-court game, doesn't break a defense down, doesn't get to the FT line, can't take on a PG one-on-one, can't post up any PG, cannot defend a PG one-on-one, allows dribble penetration non-stop . He is like a Earl Watson with a jumper. Why should we even consider him to be the PG of the future?

I might be a little harsh in my take about Calderon but you get the point. Calderon is nice to have as a PG off the bench.

[gusman]

31 pages! Nice

[Goldtop]

I don't get why dribble penetration is a prerequisite if you are a great shooter and great passer instead?

If he was a great dribble penetrator too, he'd be CP3. Can't expect him to do everything. Rip was never a great driver. Chauncey wasn't that great either. Stuckey and Bynum are both great drivers - how'd that work out?

Calderons defense is a problem, but you aren't going to have lockdown defenders at every position. Rip wasn't the greatest defender either. We need our frontcourt to be great defensively. We can get away with our guards not being so great.

So, as a PG, all Calderon does it dribble, dribble, dribble until someone becomes open for a jump shot? He doesn't drive to the hoop in a half-court game, doesn't break a defense down, doesn't get to the FT line, can't take on a PG one-on-one, can't post up any PG, cannot defend a PG one-on-one, allows dribble penetration non-stop . He is like a Earl Watson with a jumper. Why should we even consider him to be the PG of the future?

I might be a little harsh in my take about Calderon but you get the point. Calderon is nice to have as a PG off the bench.

I think you're confused if you think anyone has called him the "PG of the future". To me he's simply a "Cliff Robinson" type veteran who we can use for a few years to help get us back to being a playoff team. Then you find an upgrade for the longterm.

As for what you say he can/can't do, it sounds like a lot of what you are described is a scoring guard or shooting guard's responsibilites - ie break down a defense, go 1 on 1, etc. A PG's job is to run the offense first and foremost. Then if nothing is doing, take it upon himself to score. Thats exactly what he does, and he scores very effectively in that regard imo. The way you say he needs to play sounds like Brandon Jennings, who is not a PG, and I personally don't want a player like that running our offense.

Maybe if the guys around him weren't standing and watching all the time, he wouldn't have to stand there dribbling so long waiting for them to execute the plays.

But I'd rather have a PG that dribbles too long, doesn't turn it over, and eventually gets us a good shot before the 24 sec is up, than a PG who carelessly passes too soon to guys who aren't open and gets us poor shots and turnovers. He's just takin what the defense gives him like all good PGs do.

[ComboGuardCity]

In todays NBA, your PG has to score and be able to score on his own...unless you have a superstar wing.

[theBigLip]

I'm more convinced than ever that JC is just an expiring contract. Doesn't make sense long term for us. That's not a knock on him, but a bit old to be part of our future core. He'll get a solid offer from a better team and be gone. PG will be handed back to BK unless Dumars goes all crazy fantasy league this summer.

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm more convinced than ever that JC is just an expiring contract. Doesn't make sense long term for us. That's not a knock on him, but a bit old to be part of our future core. He'll get a solid offer from a better team and be gone. PG will be handed back to BK unless Dumars goes all crazy fantasy league this summer.

Maybe this is also a good intentional learning experience for BK.

[theBigLip]

I'm more convinced than ever that JC is just an expiring contract. Doesn't make sense long term for us. That's not a knock on him, but a bit old to be part of our future core. He'll get a solid offer from a better team and be gone. PG will be handed back to BK unless Dumars goes all crazy fantasy league this summer.

Maybe this is also a good intentional learning experience for BK.

Agreed. Nothing that gets one off their a$$ faster than the thought of getting replaced.

[Kilo]

I can't imagine any reason for Calderon to want to sign on here unless we drastically overpay. I mean if he's heading back to the $7M range, he could easily settle for a full MLE offer from a contender.

[Piston Pete]

Yeah, hopefully he's not back next season.

I don't totally dislike him. I just don't want him starting or getting 30+ minutes per. If we could lock him up for $3-4 million per to be Knight's backup for ~20 minutes per, I'd be down. But why would he sign that when contenders might offer him the same thing or more (between that and the full MLE?) for the same role?

[Blkbrd671]

Yeah, hopefully he's not back next season.

I don't totally dislike him. I just don't want him starting or getting 30+ minutes per. If we could lock him up for $3-4 million per to be Knight's backup for ~20 minutes per, I'd be down. But why would he sign that when contenders might offer him the same thing or more (between that and the full MLE?) for the same role?

honestly i don't mind resigning him or Bynum for 3-4 mil as a back up. Preferbly JC as he can shoot the ball, i just hate our bench offense so much as it consist of JC or Bynum holding the ball for forever