Stuckey done in Detroit?

[Jodi]

i still like stuckey to be honest.
I think he's best role would be lead guard off the bench. Last year he was basically used as a spot up shooter which is the worst way to use him.
We'll see i guess.

I'm with you dVs...I like Stuckey too, but I don't think he wants to play in Detroit anymore...He's 27 while our core is 22yrs old and younger...Stuckey probably wants to go to a team where he can be a starter or go to a team that has a good chance of making the playoffs...

[Piston Pete]

I would be very happy to replace Stuckey with a younger, bigger, and overall better version of himself in Tyreke Evans - especially if we do end up switching to a triangle offense with the next coach.

[Cowology]

Stuckey at his best is a very good player. A physical slasher who can get to the rim, draw contact and is a decent defender. While not a natural play-maker he's improved his ability to run an offense and has shown some clutch ability.

But how often is he at his best? You can blame injuries, you can blame the coach and how he's used...but the bottom line is he's essentially been a zero-sum player for us. He needs a change of scenery and we need somebody who can give us what we want on a consistent basis. Not 6 weeks out of the year. Stack-lite isn't cutting it.

[Clarity]

Red Rover, Red Rover, OKC if you want him, send Jeremy Lamb on overrrr

[Warspite]

I dont get the whole trade bait scenario. Dumars hasnt traded an expireing for talent since Sheed.

[Cowology]

I dont get the whole trade bait scenario. Dumars hasnt traded an expireing for talent since Sheed.

We were also in cost-cutting mode for a number of years due to the contracts we had to hand out to our GTW squad. We couldn't even afford to retain Big Ben. We are clearly in a much different financial situation, as well as rebuilding with a new(ish) owner. Apples and oranges.

[dVs33]

Stuckey at his best is a very good player. A physical slasher who can get to the rim, draw contact and is a decent defender. While not a natural play-maker he's improved his ability to run an offense and has shown some clutch ability.

But how often is he at his best? You can blame injuries, you can blame the coach and how he's used...but the bottom line is he's essentially been a zero-sum player for us. He needs a change of scenery and we need somebody who can give us what we want on a consistent basis. Not 6 weeks out of the year. Stack-lite isn't cutting it.

this is very true, but there's no point trading him just for the sake of getting rid of him. if he brings back value then go for it.

[Jodi]

Pistons get: Gordon
Thunder get: Stuckey
Pelicans get: Lamb, Collison, Thabeet, Pistons 2nd rounder

*We get value back for Stuckey*...Call me Joe Dumars Jr.

[DetroitSho]

I dont get the whole trade bait scenario. Dumars hasnt traded an expireing for talent since Sheed.

We were also in cost-cutting mode for a number of years due to the contracts we had to hand out to our GTW squad. We couldn't even afford to retain Big Ben. We are clearly in a much different financial situation, as well as rebuilding with a new(ish) owner. Apples and oranges.

We couldn't afford Big Ben? That's totally incorrect.

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[Cowology]

I dont get the whole trade bait scenario. Dumars hasnt traded an expireing for talent since Sheed.

We were also in cost-cutting mode for a number of years due to the contracts we had to hand out to our GTW squad. We couldn't even afford to retain Big Ben. We are clearly in a much different financial situation, as well as rebuilding with a new(ish) owner. Apples and oranges.

We couldn't afford Big Ben? That's totally incorrect.

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Incorrect? I'd say it's more a matter of perspective.

[dVs33]

Pistons get: Gordon
Thunder get: Stuckey
Pelicans get: Lamb, Collison, Thabeet, Pistons 2nd rounder

*We get value back for Stuckey*...Call me Joe Dumars Jr.

Jodi, i'll call you a dreamer.
No way OKC give up that much for stuckey.
Also no way we get gordon for just stuckey.

[Jodi]

^

[Minas]

Pistons get: Gordon
Thunder get: Stuckey
Pelicans get: Lamb, Collison, Thabeet, Pistons 2nd rounder

*We get value back for Stuckey*...Call me Joe Dumars Jr.

There is no way that OKC give up that much for Stuckey.

[Phenomenonsense]

I have to agree iwth us not getting nearly that value back for Stuckey, however, if we were willing to take on Perkins, and if we were willing to take on Gordon, we could potentially be involved in some real trade talks with those two teams. Not that I would want to, I've never evaluated Gordon when healthy, but the indications out of NOH that Gordon didn't play because he was upset he was on the Hornets tell me I want nothing to do with him.

[Blkbrd671]

Goodwill just speculating, but i can see stuckey gone as well

[qm22]

Stuckey at his best is a very good player. A physical slasher who can get to the rim, draw contact and is a decent defender. While not a natural play-maker he's improved his ability to run an offense and has shown some clutch ability.

But how often is he at his best? You can blame injuries, you can blame the coach and how he's used...but the bottom line is he's essentially been a zero-sum player for us. He needs a change of scenery and we need somebody who can give us what we want on a consistent basis. Not 6 weeks out of the year. Stack-lite isn't cutting it.

I agree with the first part but not the second (at this point), because a change of scenery for Stuckey, a guy on a small contract and a bench player, would not free up anything for the Pistons--he's someone who had a small role last season. If he is going to leave now, after his worst season, it would be for nothing. It might be good for Stuckey since most situations would be better than we were last year, but we'd lose an asset. If we're going to get nothing for Stuckey we can always wait another season. If Stuckey returns to the level he was at 2-3 seasons ago he is a good trade asset, or a piece we can use.

Looking at him with rational expectations--as an above average player--he is worth keeping around than just cutting him and having to fill his spot later on. The sad thing is his worst season ever was on par with Knight. If Knight never reaches the levels Stuckey did two-three seasons ago we will soon be very desperate for guards.

This situation with not knowing what to do with Knight and Stuckey is what happens when you change their roles at random and have bad coaching. I really have little idea if Knight has any hope at being a starter or if Stuckey quit on the team or just really blows when in a spot up shooting role.

[Pharaoh]

Stuckey at his best is a very good player. A physical slasher who can get to the rim, draw contact and is a decent defender. While not a natural play-maker he's improved his ability to run an offense and has shown some clutch ability.

But how often is he at his best? You can blame injuries, you can blame the coach and how he's used...but the bottom line is he's essentially been a zero-sum player for us. He needs a change of scenery and we need somebody who can give us what we want on a consistent basis. Not 6 weeks out of the year. Stack-lite isn't cutting it.

I agree with the first part but not the second (at this point), because a change of scenery for Stuckey, a guy on a small contract and a bench player, would not free up anything for the Pistons--he's someone who had a small role last season. If he is going to leave now, after his worst season, it would be for nothing. It might be good for Stuckey since most situations would be better than we were last year, but we'd lose an asset. If we're going to get nothing for Stuckey we can always wait another season. If Stuckey returns to the level he was at 2-3 seasons ago he is a good trade asset, or a piece we can use.

Looking at him with rational expectations--as an above average player--he is worth keeping around than just cutting him and having to fill his spot later on. The sad thing is his worst season ever was on par with Knight. If Knight never reaches the levels Stuckey did two-three seasons ago we will soon be very desperate for guards.

This situation with not knowing what to do with Knight and Stuckey is what happens when you change their roles at random and have bad coaching. I really have little idea if Knight has any hope at being a starter or if Stuckey quit on the team or just really blows when in a spot up shooting role.

I don't consider $8.5 mil a small contract... he's expiring and that helps but I'd happily pay $4 mil to dump him, then spend the other $4.5 mil on a better player/asset

You spend the same amount of money but get someone that fits better and would be here beyond next season

[Piston Pete]

We should look at trading him to a team looking to shed salary to back back under the lux tax.

Do a deal where we send them $8.5 million (Stuckey) and they send us $10-15 million (some needing to be a youngster with potential (like Ross, Lamb, or similar-type).

They save money instantly....and can save $4.5 million more if they let Stuckey go and pay him his $4 mil buyout. Overall, they could instantly cut $6.5+ of salary.

[JD43320]

The locker room needs to be fumigated. Too many quitters with bad attitudes and Stuckey, along with CV are the biggest culprits. They need to go. Anyone that was a part of the mutiny under Kuester should've been gone that summer. Instead guys like Stuckey got a raise and Tay got an extension. Even if you like Stuckey as a player (and I can't think of a reason why) he's a huge part of the losing culture that infests the locker room and that needs to end. It's time to flush all these POS's.

[DetroitDon15]

We should look at trading him to a team looking to shed salary to back back under the lux tax.

Do a deal where we send them $8.5 million (Stuckey) and they send us $10-15 million (some needing to be a youngster with potential (like Ross, Lamb, or similar-type).

They save money instantly....and can save $4.5 million more if they let Stuckey go and pay him his $4 mil buyout. Overall, they could instantly cut $6.5+ of salary.

I know you are hinting at a Bargnani/Perkins dumb on us but i'm not sure I'm sold on either guy. Not really willing to take a gamble on a unproven guy. I'd rather have the lotto pick in all honesty.