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[MrBigShot]

We're just arguing semantics at this point. The term scrub is kind of ambigous...and relative. Compared to superstars like LBJ/Durant, Singler is a scrub. But compared to the rest of the NBA, he is a solid 7th or 8th man off the bench.

[theBigLip]

Flip Saunders had a nice interview today after the big SG workout and basically said there were several SGs that will be legit players in the league. Obviously McLemore, but Bazz, KCP, Ledo, McCollum should all be players.

[ComboGuardCity]

Flip Saunders had a nice interview today after the big SG workout and basically said there were several SGs that will be legit players in the league. Obviously McLemore, but Bazz, KCP, Ledo, McCollum should all be players.

You got a link to that?

[Clarity]

Flip Saunders had a nice interview today after the big SG workout and basically said there were several SGs that will be legit players in the league. Obviously McLemore, but Bazz, KCP, Ledo, McCollum should all be players.

Flip Saunders co-signing McLemore furthers my thought that McLemore is a player i'd stay away from with a high pick.

[ImHeisenberg]

Flip Saunders co-signing McLemore furthers my thought that McLemore is a player i'd stay away from with a high pick.

It's a non-issue for Detroit. We aren't going to have an opportunity to make a decision on McLemore. But, why does Saunders vote of faith in him hurt his stock in your opinion? Still salty over his coaching stint in Detroit?

[Clarity]

Flip Saunders co-signing McLemore furthers my thought that McLemore is a player i'd stay away from with a high pick.

It's a non-issue for Detroit. We aren't going to have an opportunity to make a decision on McLemore. But, why does Saunders vote of faith in him hurt his stock in your opinion? Still salty over his coaching stint in Detroit?

It was more a joke, nothing against Flip.

[theBigLip]

Flip Saunders had a nice interview today after the big SG workout and basically said there were several SGs that will be legit players in the league. Obviously McLemore, but Bazz, KCP, Ledo, McCollum should all be players.

You got a link to that?

A little Flip Saunders video, also some of the players comments from today's Minnesota workout of SGs.
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/audio/draft-workouts-flip-saunders-53013

[ImHeisenberg]

Flip Saunders co-signing McLemore furthers my thought that McLemore is a player i'd stay away from with a high pick.

It's a non-issue for Detroit. We aren't going to have an opportunity to make a decision on McLemore. But, why does Saunders vote of faith in him hurt his stock in your opinion? Still salty over his coaching stint in Detroit?

It was more a joke, nothing against Flip.

Roger that! I'm curious to see how he performs as the GM in Minnesota. I half wonder if Adelman leaves, if he'll just end up coaching the Wolves again? Don't really care either way, just something to watch out for.

[DetroitDon15]

Okay maybe i over exaggerated a bit, but the kid can really score the ball, he has such smooth stroke. he can also legitimately score off the dribble which IMO is very rare now at days. One thing i don't like about bazz is that he uses his strength to score the ball rather than skill. When he gets to the NBA , he's going to struggle against stronger defenders and basically be relegated to catch and shoot. Biggest reason why i have KCP>Bazz is defensively KCP is farther a long, while bazz seems to be more potential.

I personally think KCP could come in right and be a better player than Bazz but I think after one year Bazz will be the better player. I think Bazz has all-star potential while KCP will be a role player and probably a fringe starter at best. You don't draft roll players at 8.

I definitely agree that KCP seems more NBA ready than Bazz. i don't agree/understand how no one see's the skill set that KCP brings. Defensively he brings a lot of size and length to the SG position, and is a great defender. Offensively he struggles finishing at the rim, however he can score(shoot) from any where on the court. He can create shots, and catch and shoot. Yet he's going to be a scrub?

I agree with what you are saying here. The problem with us is we need that guy on the wings who can be a go to scorer long term. KCP will be a good role player. I think he could fill a need but we need more high impact guys. I see a game more like Terrance Ross right now with him. Shabazz was the next big thing before he went to UCLA. There was alot of problems there, IE Ben Howland's antics. I think Bazz has a better chance of being a pure scorer while KCP will be just a shooter and not scorer in my eyes. We need guys who can shot yes but we need scorers more which Shabazz is.

[Phenomenonsense]

I personally think KCP could come in right and be a better player than Bazz but I think after one year Bazz will be the better player. I think Bazz has all-star potential while KCP will be a role player and probably a fringe starter at best. You don't draft roll players at 8.

I definitely agree that KCP seems more NBA ready than Bazz. i don't agree/understand how no one see's the skill set that KCP brings. Defensively he brings a lot of size and length to the SG position, and is a great defender. Offensively he struggles finishing at the rim, however he can score(shoot) from any where on the court. He can create shots, and catch and shoot. Yet he's going to be a scrub?

I agree with what you are saying here. The problem with us is we need that guy on the wings who can be a go to scorer long term. KCP will be a good role player. I think he could fill a need but we need more high impact guys. I see a game more like Terrance Ross right now with him. Shabazz was the next big thing before he went to UCLA. There was alot of problems there, IE Ben Howland's antics. I think Bazz has a better chance of being a pure scorer while KCP will be just a shooter and not scorer in my eyes. We need guys who can shot yes but we need scorers more which Shabazz is.

I too thought of the KCP-Ross comparison.

[Blkbrd671]

I agree with what you are saying here. The problem with us is we need that guy on the wings who can be a go to scorer long term. KCP will be a good role player. I think he could fill a need but we need more high impact guys. I see a game more like Terrance Ross right now with him. Shabazz was the next big thing before he went to UCLA. There was alot of problems there, IE Ben Howland's antics. I think Bazz has a better chance of being a pure scorer while KCP will be just a shooter and not scorer in my eyes. We need guys who can shot yes but we need scorers more which Shabazz is.

The i have with this is that Shabazz hasnt shown anything that would indicate he's a go to scorer. He struggles with everything outside a open jump shot. KCP however has shown everything i had mentioned before. My point is that KCP is more of a gurantee of what we need next season, where as Bazz is a maybe. I just don't understand how posters can say Bazz is more of a chance of being a pure scorer, when KCP has shown more.

[DetroitDon15]

I definitely agree that KCP seems more NBA ready than Bazz. i don't agree/understand how no one see's the skill set that KCP brings. Defensively he brings a lot of size and length to the SG position, and is a great defender. Offensively he struggles finishing at the rim, however he can score(shoot) from any where on the court. He can create shots, and catch and shoot. Yet he's going to be a scrub?

I agree with what you are saying here. The problem with us is we need that guy on the wings who can be a go to scorer long term. KCP will be a good role player. I think he could fill a need but we need more high impact guys. I see a game more like Terrance Ross right now with him. Shabazz was the next big thing before he went to UCLA. There was alot of problems there, IE Ben Howland's antics. I think Bazz has a better chance of being a pure scorer while KCP will be just a shooter and not scorer in my eyes. We need guys who can shot yes but we need scorers more which Shabazz is.

I too thought of the KCP-Ross comparison.

I don't see anything wrong with KCP or Ross but when you have the chance to draft a guy who can be a one or two option over a guy who will be a bench player that you have to take the star.

[ImHeisenberg]

Most posters believe Shabazz is a better prospect than KCP because he has that killer instinct. He isn't going to shrink away from taking a game winning shot, he isn't going to fall in love with his jumper, he's going to attack the basket and get to the line, and post players up, forcing them into defensive situations that aren't comfortable.

We can make a subjective pros and cons list for both of these guys. Neither of them are without their perceived flaws. If they both didn't have glaring flaws, they would be top 3 picks. This is simply the nature of this draft and where Detroit is picking at.

Despite my preference for Shabazz, I understand it's simply my opinion. Detroit needs to get this pick right, and it's not just between Shabazz and KCP. If Cody Zeller is the BPA, they need to take him. They need to get the best player they possibly can, they're too thin on talent to be picky about position in this draft.

Especially when they have significant cap room and two second round picks to address other needs.