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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#21 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:56 pm

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Blkbrd671 wrote:What has Monroe really done.


Did you mean this? This is just as accurate as your statement.

All dunks. Hack a blake. Defensivey average. Cant shoot
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#22 » by Clarity » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:27 pm

I would hang up on the Clippers.

Bledsoe is the only attractive piece in that offer, Griffin is a fun lob dunker but as far as actual skill he has next to none. He cant shoot & has little to no back to the basket game.
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#23 » by spearsy23 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:12 pm

Clarity wrote:I would hang up on the Clippers.

Bledsoe is the only attractive piece in that offer, Griffin is a fun lob dunker but as far as actual skill he has next to none. He cant shoot & has little to no back to the basket game.

A guy who has averaged 22/12 on over 50% shooting has no skill? He's a great slasher and rebounder a good passer and Is now too good from the free throw line to play hack a Blake. I understand Monroe is your guy and so there's sentimental value, but to say griffin has no skill is asinine.

kurtis48239 wrote:blake griffins contract expires in 2014,my only problem is he would bolt for greener pastures,so we get rid of monroe for a rental of blake who dosent have any ties here,did not get drafted by us so he dosent have any loyalty to us like monroe has.Not really interested unless hes willing to do some sort of extension.

He's already signed an extension I believe. If not, he'd be a restricted free agent.
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#24 » by Clarity » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:24 pm

spearsy23 wrote:A guy who has averaged 22/12 on over 50% shooting has no skill? He's a great slasher and rebounder a good passer and Is now too good from the free throw line to play hack a Blake. I understand Monroe is your guy and so there's sentimental value, but to say griffin has no skill is asinine.


I welcome this discussion, I had it about Kevin Durant a few years back when people called him the 2nd best player in the NBA when all he did was chuck jumpers & I watched him struggle vs Tony Allen who is a foot shorter than him in the playoffs. Its not popular to be honest about everyone's favorite players. Since then Durant has become a monster with a very good all around game so its not out of the realm for Blake to do the same, he certainly has all the capabilities.

As of today though, Blake Griffin has little skill with respect to post skills & shooting ability.

His back to the basket game is novice, he doesnt have a go to move, not even a jump hook in his 4th year now. He literally gives you nothing outside of 10 feet either.

The lob is a tool though, it contributes greatly to his attempts at the rim which I applaud, I also applaud his willingness to put his head down & plow towards the rim even if he has really no plan & is looking for the foul. In a league where most bigs just fade & avoid contact like the plague I do appreciate that about Blake. However at this point, he's still just an athlete, he isnt a guy in a half court setting that you can consistently dump it into & he can get you an easy basket. Its why the Clipps were bounced again, its why theyll continue to be bounced in the first rd regardless of Chris Paul.
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#25 » by spearsy23 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:36 pm

Clarity wrote:I welcome this discussion, I had it about Kevin Durant a few years back when people called him the 2nd best player in the NBA when all he did was chuck jumpers & I watched him struggle vs Tony Allen who is a foot shorter than him in the playoffs. Its not popular to be honest about everyone's favorite players. Since then Durant has become a monster with a very good all around game so its not out of the realm for Blake to do the same, he certainly has all the capabilities.

Nobody was calling Durant the 2nd best player in the NBA a few years ago. Attempting to make yourself seem more observant than the average fan by using opinions that didn't exist is dishonest.

As of today though, Blake Griffin has little skill with respect to post skills & shooting ability.

You said he has no skills, not that he has a poor post game and can't shoot. Does it matter if he's shooting a hookshot or blowing by a guy to score when he does it efficiently?

His back to the basket game is novice, he doesnt have a go to move, not even a jump hook in his 4th year now. He literally gives you nothing outside of 10 feet either.

He gives you a lot outside ten feet because he's exceptional at getting to the rim. He's not a guy who either shoots a jumper or turns his back to the basket, he can actually put it on the floor.

The lob is a tool though, it contributes greatly to his attempts at the rim which I applaud, I also applaud his willingness to put his head down & plow towards the rim even if he has really no plan & is looking for the foul. In a league where most bigs just fade & avoid contact like the plague I do appreciate that about Blake. However at this point, he's still just an athlete, he isnt a guy in a half court setting that you can consistently dump it into & he can get you an easy basket. Its why the Clipps were bounced again, its why theyll continue to be bounced in the first rd regardless of Chris Paul.

How many ally oops do you think he's completing each game? The clips were bounced this year because of poor play all around, last year it was injuries.
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#26 » by Clarity » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:17 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Nobody was calling Durant the 2nd best player in the NBA a few years ago. Attempting to make yourself seem more observant than the average fan by using opinions that didn't exist is dishonest.


a ton of people were calling Durant the 2nd or 3rd best player, where were you?

Does it matter if he's shooting a hookshot or blowing by a guy to score when he does it efficiently?


I actually said he had a poor post game & cant shoot almost word for word.

If he was consistently efficent at "blowing by a guy to score" this wouldnt be an issue but he's not.

He gives you a lot outside ten feet because he's exceptional at getting to the rim. He's not a guy who either shoots a jumper or turns his back to the basket, he can actually put it on the floor.


I really don't know anyone who would say he is exceptional at getting to the rim, good at times, yes.

How many ally oops do you think he's completing each game? The clips were bounced this year because of poor play all around, last year it was injuries.


Blake attempts 6 shots at the rim per game & makes them at a 77% clip so common sense would say around 5-6 per game, his dunks are created mostly via fast breaks & lobs, he does have an occasional blow by move to dunk but most are created for him. He only averages 7ish shots made per game so its safe to say dunks are a huge part of his game which isnt a bad thing because its the highest % shot you can get but in the post season fast breaks are slowed & its way more half court, hence his struggles.
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#27 » by chrbal » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:28 pm

DeAndre Jordan & Blake Griffin are not getting moved to clear salary.
Players they are more likely to trade to gain cap space and would I do it if I was Dumars.

Caron Butler-no
Jamal Crawford-yes
Willie Green-yes.
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Re: Would det help the clippers clear salary? 

Post#28 » by dVs33 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:42 pm

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Piston Pete wrote:
Did you mean this? This is just as accurate as your statement.


I think Blkbrd has a point to a certain extent.

Griffin has superstar status right now, but he relies heavily on his athleticism and is yet to develop much of a post game. He's obviously capable of doing so, but so is Dwight Howard, or at least we thought.
If you look at who compliments Drummond more, you'd have to go with Monroe because he's like the ying to drummonds yang. Griffin is also yang, a very good yang, but still another yang.


Drummond needs an athletic four who can spread the floor a bit and pull out opposing 4s from doubling him in the post. Someone who can step back and make 15 footers. Griffin can't do that. Blake also lacks a "Polished" post game which bring him to superstar status. While I think Monroe is a better fit next to Drummond, I in no means what so ever feel he is the perfect fit. If you believe this, you are either Joe Dumars or a big homer.


jeez literal don.

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