Pistons Wont Use Amnesty

[Piston Pete]

His and Stuckey's contracts make us the #1 call for anybody needing to dump salary. I can live with it - as long as Joe USES the expirings to get us someone worthwhile.

Agreed.

In the past, he's allowed expirings like these to simply expire w/o dealing them for assets before the deadlines. Hopefully he does SOMETHING this season with them.

[DetroitSho]

His and Stuckey's contracts make us the #1 call for anybody needing to dump salary. I can live with it - as long as Joe USES the expirings to get us someone worthwhile.

Agreed.

In the past, he's allowed expirings like these to simply expire w/o dealing them for assets before the deadlines. Hopefully he does SOMETHING this season with them.

So would you be satisfied with just anything?

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[Piston Pete]

His and Stuckey's contracts make us the #1 call for anybody needing to dump salary. I can live with it - as long as Joe USES the expirings to get us someone worthwhile.

Agreed.

In the past, he's allowed expirings like these to simply expire w/o dealing them for assets before the deadlines. Hopefully he does SOMETHING this season with them.

So would you be satisfied with just anything?

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Anything? No

Something to make us better moving forward (ie upgrade in talent but longer term, picks, ect.) would be good.

[dan2314]

His and Stuckey's contracts make us the #1 call for anybody needing to dump salary. I can live with it - as long as Joe USES the expirings to get us someone worthwhile.

Agreed.

In the past, he's allowed expirings like these to simply expire w/o dealing them for assets before the deadlines. Hopefully he does SOMETHING this season with them.

one of the main reasons teams trade for expirings, is to get out of a bad contract. unless we get a good pick, is it really worth taking on that contract that they wanted to get rid of so badly, instead of taking a shot in free agency ourselves? thats something you have to look at.. is the one you trade for, better than someone you can realistically get in FA? We should hopefully be a more attractive place now if we make the playoffs so we shouldnt be too disappointed if we keep them.

[Phobo_Phile]

I agree with others that mentioned the idea of amnestying CV, and using that extra cap space to take on bad contracts+picks. You could also use it to overpay on a one year contract to get us some help to make a true playoff run.

I'm very afraid that we are just going to ride out the season and let him and Stuckey expire without trading them for crucial assets.

[Joe Berry]

I agree with others that mentioned the idea of amnestying CV, and using that extra cap space to take on bad contracts+picks. You could also use it to overpay on a one year contract to get us some help to make a true playoff run.

I'm very afraid that we are just going to ride out the season and let him and Stuckey expire without trading them for crucial assets.

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its easier to facility trades with luxtax teams for example with capspace than having the need to send back almost the same amount of salary. Also with the competition at PF i think a lot of people overestimate the use of Charlie as a strech 4, he cant play C or SF, just PF and is still atrocious defensivly, most minutes at PF will go to Monroe and Smith anyway.

[Pharaoh]

I agree with others that mentioned the idea of amnestying CV, and using that extra cap space to take on bad contracts+picks. You could also use it to overpay on a one year contract to get us some help to make a true playoff run.

I'm very afraid that we are just going to ride out the season and let him and Stuckey expire without trading them for crucial assets.

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its easier to facility trades with luxtax teams for example with capspace than having the need to send back almost the same amount of salary. Also with the competition at PF i think a lot of people overestimate the use of Charlie as a strech 4, he cant play C or SF, just PF and is still atrocious defensivly, most minutes at PF will go to Monroe and Smith anyway.

WTF?

First things first: can people stop whining about the Ben Gordon trade? please? We basically gave up BG and that pick to sign Josh Smith! Anyone prefer BG and that pick?

2nd thing: after signing Smith we had plenty of cap space to make trades with teams over the luxury tax threshold. Do you guys not believe Joe Dumars got phone calls? Do you believe he just went about signing players and forgot all about the possibility of making trades?

We ended up signing Bynum, Billups, Datome... all on very cheap short term deals... but not after some trade "ideas" were floated (Rondo, Gay)... I think it's fair to say Joe attempted to make some trades using the expirings and other pieces... didn't like the response he got and moved on... as he should!

I'm waiting for some cap guru on this board to arrive to explain to all of us how losing Stuckey, CV and our other expirings next off-season - then signing Monroe to a big deal - doesn't give us more than the MLE in cap space.

People talk about us not having money to spend next off-season... and I'd like to know how that conclusion was reached....

anyway, people whining about not using the amnesty clause on CV seem to believe that someone we could make some kind of trade with the additional $8.5 mil in cap space, landing a quality player AND a future first for whatever trash we'd send out.... you're dreaming!

I ranted and railed against Joe keeping his job for this off-season... as of the 12th of July he's been amazing! I didn't think it was possible... but hes not only provided hope for the future he's mad smart signings at reasonable prices.... it's almost enough to make me forget we've sucked for 5 years!

That's impressive. Credit Joe, credit Gores... not using the amnesty on CV is the right call righ now.

[Dre Drummond]

2013-2014 Salary
Monroe: $14.0 million
Josh Smith: $13.5 million
Jonas Jerebko: $4.5 million
Brandon Knight: $3.5 million
Bynum: $3.0 million
Billups: $2.75 million
Luigi: $2.75 million
Andre Drummond: $2.6 million
KCP: $2.5 million
Kyle Singler: $1 million
Middleton: $1 million
Mitchell: $700k ?
NO 2014 FIRST ROUND PICK IF WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS
TOTAL 12 players = around $52 million... of course I don't know the exact amounts for Billups Luigi and Bynum but I feel those are close from reports.

If the cap goes up slightly we could have $6-$8 million in capspace next summer if we let Stuckey + CV expire... maybe more if we really do have a 2nd year option on Billups.

[Pharaoh]

You're good Dre Drummond, real good:

The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is either $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2010–11: $14,511,000), whichever is greater.

Assuming the other figures are correct we'll still have more than the MLE available after retaining Monroe at the maximum

So much for the theory we won't have any cap space next off-season!

[DETermination]

What are the best free agents other then lebron,carmelo,bosh,dwade next year?

[Dre Drummond]

You're good Dre Drummond, real good:

The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is either $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2010–11: $14,511,000), whichever is greater.

Assuming the other figures are correct we'll still have more than the MLE available after retaining Monroe at the maximum

So much for the theory we won't have any cap space next off-season!

We won't have capspace to go after a big name FA... We could have the capspace to go after a player at slightly above the MLE if we don't add any additional salary via trades.

Its hard to look at the players who might be around for slightly above MLE type deals. Eric Bledsoe could be one... Evan Turner could be another.

[Dre Drummond]

What are the best free agents other then lebron,carmelo,bosh,dwade next year?

Cousins, Monroe, Paul George, John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Evan Turner, Larry Sanders, Ed Davis, Derrick Favors are all restricted FAs.

Duncan, Kobe, Pierce, Dirk, Okafor, Gortat, Bogut, Bierdens, Kaman, Blatche, Diaw, Aminu, Pau Gasol, Ariza, Marvin Williams, Danny Granger, Draymon Green, Brandon Rush, Shane Battier, Willie Green, Lou Williams, Ben Gordon

[DETermination]

Next years free agency is kind of overated, most of the guys are old vets who may retire or resign with their team for a 1 or 2 year deal. Not sure who I would want us to get.

[Snakebites]

Yeah cap space next year is nothing to get excited about.

It will be good to have the flexibility to comfortably extend Monroe, but most of the free agents are either class of 2003 stars totally out of our league or older veteran players that don't fit into our current plans.

On to the actual topic, I see absolutely no strategic benefit to amnestying CV at this juncture.