ThirdMan wrote:HotelVitale wrote:Warspite wrote: Keep knocking down those strawmen you love to build. Actualy we are talking about bringing 5 players who led there teams in FGA or ppg to one team....but its pretty reasonable to assume that Gordon would be getting about 7-9FGA per game. Is he realy worth 16mil a yr if hes taking basicly the same number of shots that Singler did last yr?
The OPs propsed team would remind me a ton of the 1977 sixers who had ... It just didnt work out well and DrJ had to reduce his FGA by a huge margin just to keep the lockerroom together. .
I'll leave it after this one since it's going to get boring for other posters/readers, but your posts very clearly advocated for these two points that you just called straw men:
A) we would lose Monroe because we would extend Turner instead of him
B) Upgrading our offensive personnel is pointless because there aren't enough shots to go around
Here's a recap of how my last two posts addressed these points:
A) Extending Monroe and having Gordon, Smith, BJ, and the rest of our vet and rookie deals would put us a little below the tax. We'd have to let Turner walk, but it's quite easy to keep Monroe. It'd be nice to use Turner's bird rights if the ownership is willing to go over the tax, but if they're not we dump Turner and keep Monroe. No one would disagree.
B) A healthy Gordon is much better on offense than Smith, BJ, and our other guys on offense, so having him take shots instead of BJ/Smith/Bynum/Stuckey means a better offense. If you think there's no way to convince Smith and BJ to take fewer shots and defer to the better player, then there's obviously no reason to acquire better offensive players.
Also, that's interesting that it didn't work out with the '77 76ers (who lost in six games in the NBA Finals, not exactly a wretched failure). But since you mentioned the Heat, here's the list of shot attempts (FG + 1/2 free throws--two free throws being equal to one shot) for their big three the year before they signed together and last year:
Bosh= 21--> 14
Wade= 24 --> 18
Lebron= 25--> 21.5
They all learned to take fewer shots for the good of the team, and let the best guy (Lebron) take more shots than the lesser guys. If you think Smith and BJ are just too stubborn to learn, that's a fair argument. But assuming we MUST let both of them continue to shoot awful midrange shots and runners instead of letting a better player shoot better shots doesn't seem like smart team planning to me.
I was just about to dig up the numbers for the Heat before they joined but you beat me to it. How clueless for Warspite to post the numbers for the Heat to pimp up his point? The Heat are the poster boy for multiple number one options being successful on a single team…
I know this is your 'third' account vitale. Hahahaha
Warspite is absolutely right. Why on Earth pay this man 15 million per considering he has knees made of jelly? Scary right....
Fnancially, this trade does not make any sence at all for the pistons. End of story.