How Much is Monroe worth?

[Pharaoh]

Monroe is worth between $10-14 mil per season.

We can argue all season long on the final figure

Anyone who believes Monroe will get less than $10 mil per is crazy

[Clarity]

Funny, because the theme of common sense hasn't been Dumars line of thinking the last 5 years aside from a few draft picks.

this is overblown a bit, Gordon & especially CV were awful decisions though in hindsight.

I just cant see Dumars being Sam Presti dumb on Monroe.

Monroe is worth between $10-14 mil per season.

We can argue all season long on the final figure

Anyone who believes Monroe will get less than $10 mil per is crazy

the discussion is kind of pointless now, the market sets your value. Demarcus Cousins just got a max deal.

That market says Monroe is easily worth a max contract.

[sc8581]

Funny, because the theme of common sense hasn't been Dumars line of thinking the last 5 years aside from a few draft picks.

this is overblown a bit, Gordon & especially CV were awful decisions though in hindsight.

I just cant see Dumars being Sam Presti dumb on Monroe.

Monroe is worth between $10-14 mil per season.

We can argue all season long on the final figure

Anyone who believes Monroe will get less than $10 mil per is crazy

the discussion is kind of pointless now, the market sets your value. Demarcus Cousins just got a max deal.

That market says Monroe is easily worth a max contract.

Which is exactly why we have to trade him.

[Sheeeeed]

Funny, because the theme of common sense hasn't been Dumars line of thinking the last 5 years aside from a few draft picks.

this is overblown a bit, Gordon & especially CV were awful decisions though in hindsight.

I just cant see Dumars being Sam Presti dumb on Monroe.

It really isn't overblown if you look at the last 5 years objectively. from the Billups trade and awful Rip contract to the head scratching moves this past summer.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. The whole Smith signing is what is making a real possibility. Trading Monroe doesn't go against what Dumars has done the last few months like the Calderon, or Jennings trade. That and the fact Dumars still apparently wants in a Rondo trade I'm not going to doubt it.

[Clarity]

It really isn't overblown if you look at the last 5 years objectively. from the Billups trade and awful Rip contract to the head scratching moves this past summer.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. The whole Smith signing is what is making a real possibility. Trading Monroe doesn't go against what Dumars has done the last few months like the Calderon, or Jennings trade. That and the fact Dumars still apparently wants in a Rondo trade I'm not going to doubt it.

Hes definitely had some head scratching moves, no doubt about that but this would top all of those combined.

I just cant see it, I cant wrap my hands around him being that dumb.

[JDLAW]

Monroe is a player whose current value is hard to gauge. He is a very valuable player and, in my opinion a borderline all-star who could break through to all star status. Not being in Detroit, I do not see the flaws in his game that some mention and have no opinion as to whether the flaws are correctable through further development. Based on what I have read in this thread, if he was a wing player, he would not be worth the max. But being a talented big, it might be a different story. If he has plateaued (and no one knows the answer to this), he is likely a sub-max player 4 years at $12-14MM/yr. His agent will want a 5 year max, but might settle for a 4 year max.

One thing Dumars had to consider is his roster balance. If Drummond is what he is purported to be, he is clearly the center of the future. That means Monroe has to adapt to a power forward role. He has the size and strength, but does he have the lateral quickness to defend further away from the basket? Is his offensive game compromised by having Drummond and Smith in the line-up with him? Is there enough floor spacing for all three to thrive? Those questions can only be answered by playing them together this season and seeing the results.

If the results are good but his numbers are about the same as they were the last two years the debate will continue as to whether there is more upside. If he plays out this year and his numbers decline and he is an RFA, his S&T value will also go down. If his numbers go up a little, an outside team could offer a contract that Detroit does not like, but has to match. Fortunately it would be for only 4 years. If, during the season,it is not working for some reason, Detroit will get a lot of low-value offers at the trade deadline because there will be a perceived need to move him.

My prediction is he will not be extended this off season unless he is willing to take less than the max, maybe considerably less than the max - maybe $44-46MM over 4 years and both sides will wait to see what happens this season.

[Durins Baynes]

I agree Monroe is looking at 10+ mill a year. That's why I voted for him to be traded for some value before that happens. The guy is an odd player, who it's difficult to fit into a winning team in some ways, in that sense he reminds me of Al Jefferson. I think he's going to have a lot of homes around the NBA over the years, much like Jefferson. Someone will gamble on him turning it around in free agency.

In particular, he doesn't fit the Pistons current roster at all, and he should be moved before his value starts to drop (which it will as the year goes on, and this becomes more and more apparent).

[hoophabit]

I agree Monroe is looking at 10+ mill a year. That's why I voted for him to be traded for some value before that happens. The guy is an odd player, who it's difficult to fit into a winning team in some ways, in that sense he reminds me of Al Jefferson. I think he's going to have a lot of homes around the NBA over the years, much like Jefferson. Someone will gamble on him turning it around in free agency.

In particular, he doesn't fit the Pistons current roster at all, and he should be moved before his value starts to drop (which it will as the year goes on, and this becomes more and more apparent).

Hey Durins, how have you been? I read your screed about what is needed to "fix the Pistons" on one of the several trades and transactions threads involving the Pistons. I must say you have tremendous insight into what needs to be done for a greatly changed team that hasn't played a single game. Central to everything though is that Monroe must be traded. Funny how a NO fan thought a combination of Monroe and Davis might be the best front court combination in a few years. I guess there are a lot of delusional fans out there beside those of us who root for the Pistons.

Any player can be traded for the right package, but no one is going to get Monroe now for what usually is an oft injured "star" in combination with some journeyman. Further, I'm not really worried about his falling value. Both of the Piston young bigs received USA basketball invites, which is a pretty good indication that the upper echelon basketball community doesn't view them quite as meanly as you seem to.

Don't get me wrong, it's been a lot of fun having Piston players be the object of so much discussion. It's been quite a while since they've drawn much attention.

On a completely unrelated note, what exactly are your Spurs going to do after Timmy retires?

[MrBigShot]

^Unfortunately for the rest of the league, the Spurs will keep chugging along. They will draft well, find steals late in the draft, find talent abroad and stay true to their identity and loyal to their coach, whoever he may be after Pop retires. The Spurs are the best franchise ever in terms of management. The Celtics/Lakers have had a handful of all time greats. The Bulls lucked out by drafting the GOAT. Tim Duncan is no slouch himself obviously, and neither is David Robinson...but what the Spurs have managed to do throughout the past decade or so is incredible. Drafting a guy like Kawhi and developing him into a reliable shooter, and turning a guy like Danny Green who was otherwise a career reserve into a very good role player. That type of management and personnel is the reason they have managed to stay a great team for so long. So yeah, I think they'll be OK long-term after Timmy retires.

I do agree with the rest of your post 100% though. This team hasn't played a single game...too early to make definitive evaluations.

[Durins Baynes]

I discuss that very question in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1273013

As for the Hornets, Monroe and Davis would have pretty terrible spacing. That said, they'd at least fit in the sense that Monroe has to play the 5, and Davis can play the 4 (unlike Drummond). Davis also has a decent chance of developing a plausible jump shot given his age and skill set. They'd certainly try it out if they could get Monroe cheap, and if it didn't work trade him.

[hoophabit]

My intent is not to disrespect the Spurs organization, for which I have great respect. They certainly make more good moves than bad. That Robinson went down just at the right time to tank for Timmy may well be purely coincidence. Good organization or not, Timmy is someone special, and they're going to miss him a lot.

Partly I'm saying that it has been interesting and fun seeing other team's fans taking the time to post on how the Pistons should trade Monroe, and usually for a rather poor return. Monroe might be traded, it's not that I don't see that possibility. If Drummond plays well in his second season and Monroe struggles playing the four it seems likely. I'd look to the time leading up to the trade deadline. Monroe in combination with expiring Stuckey and CV make a lot possible. The Pistons have time to see what is the best course. What if Drummond can't stay healthy? What if Monroe finds a way to effectively play the four? There have been a lot of changes already. Maybe it's time to step back and see how all this actually works. Unintended consequences might apply.

[need4detroit]

I discuss that very question in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1273013

As for the Hornets, Monroe and Davis would have pretty terrible spacing. That said, they'd at least fit in the sense that Monroe has to play the 5, and Davis can play the 4 (unlike Drummond). Davis also has a decent chance of developing a plausible jump shot given his age and skill set. They'd certainly try it out if they could get Monroe cheap, and if it didn't work trade him.

What prevents Drummond from playing the 4?

[Durins Baynes]

He is limited for a 5 offensively as it is. Putting them together on the court is horrible for spacing. Drummond being wasted on 4's defensively also strikes me as foolish, because smart coaches will laugh as he gets sucked out to the 3-pt line against jump shooting 4's, and leaves the paint wide open.

[mercury]

Not counting out G.M.'s work on his perimeter game... this whole thing needs to be on a wait and see basis... we're in uncharted territories for our entire front line... patience grasshopper.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Celtics fan here- our board's been talking about Monroe since the WT headline about his extension, and because he came up in Rondo rumors last year.

Don't want to talk about trade value, just a couple of questions because I haven't seen Monroe play much:

1. How do you explain his shooting percentages going down the last two years? From a distance, it's not encouraging- but I know efficiency can be contextual..

2. Does he have any kind of mid-range game? Looking at his shot charts/splits, the answer seems to be no- he finishes around the basket at a high percentage, but bricks hook shots and jumpers from further out.

[joseph mamah]

Celtics fan here- our board's been talking about Monroe since the WT headline about his extension, and because he came up in Rondo rumors last year.

Don't want to talk about trade value, just a couple of questions because I haven't seen Monroe play much:

1. How do you explain his shooting percentages going down the last two years? From a distance, it's not encouraging- but I know efficiency can be contextual..

2. Does he have any kind of mid-range game? Looking at his shot charts/splits, the answer seems to be no- he finishes around the basket at a high percentage, but bricks hook shots and jumpers from further out.

1. expanded workload, poor talent/spacing around him.

2. No