I have a feeling Dumars is gone this offseason

DCintheD · Post #1 » by **DCintheD** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 4:52 am

I love Dumars but only an inept owner would keep him even if we slipped into the playoffs as 30 win team. This team needs a new vision. Can't keep going thru coaches. Unless Dumars makes a midseason blockbuster trade this team is going nowhere fast

aad · Post #2 » by **aad** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 4:57 am

And I hope cheeks go with him

OneBadMutha · Post #3 » by **OneBadMutha** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 6:27 am

It's pretty much a foregone conclusion. The owner has not extended him and even the softball local media has begun referring to him as the lame duck GM. This team, as constructed is not going to be over .500.

The trouble is I consider Gores an inept owner who still has no clue what he's doing. Who knows who he hires?

I believe Gores should bring in the next guy now...but he won't. For all we know, at the trade deadline Dumars packages the 2016 first round pick and KCP for another veteran with a crappy contract to get the Pistons over the hump to win 38 games this year.

MrBigShot · Post #4 » by **MrBigShot** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 6:59 am

Wouldn't surprise me. This season has been a disappointment thus far.

Q00 · Post #5 » by **Q00** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:16 am

It probably comes down to what Gores' standards are? Its been pretty clear that it was playoffs or fail for Dumars before the season, but that was when it would probably take a winning team to get in. So was having a winning season a sub-prerequisite, or was it just about making the playoffs however you get in?

That could decide Joe's fate. If Gores is not happy with just backing in with a losing record, then Joe is probably done if things don't turn around.

If this gets really ugly, and even backing into the playoffs starts to look bleak, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to hear one of two things happen mid-season:

1. Gores gets serious, sweeps out Dumars/Cheeks, and gives Phil Jackson full control of the franchise.

2. Or, he gives up and wants out, puts the team up for sale and runs as far as possible.

Personally, I can't imagine he's too happy with Dumars right now. He spent almost 100 million this summer and there's other teams like Toronto and Boston who spent nothing, gave away their best players, and have the same record. So at this point I gotta think he's lost all trust in Dumars, and is probably either looking to the only other guy he knows in Phil to come help him, or looking to just get out before he loses his money. I don't know what other options the guy has if this thing with Dumars doesn't work out this year.

ComboGuardCity · Post #6 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:20 am

Joe should have left when Gores bought the team. Once Frank was chosen over Joe's boy Woodson, it was already headed in the wrong direction.

kurtis48239 · Post #7 » by **kurtis48239** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:56 am

Iam willing to give dumars the rest of the season and see if he can pull a rabbit outta his ass.My main fear is if he sits on his hands and does nothing,my other worry (like mutha said) is that gores does get rid of dumars but replaces him with another inept gm.

Hotmayo · Post #8 » by **Hotmayo** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:59 am

Joe dumars brings the bad boy identity to our team -and he purposely looks for player with that identity

As long as joes around, the pistons will have that identity

No other gm would do that. If we get a new gm than that brand of basket ball is gone

You guys are just pissed and wanna burn someone cuz were losing.

Personally, I love josh and jennings and I think we are a 2 guard and small forward away from competing again

Trade Monroe bandwagon please..

momed11 · Post #9 » by **momed11** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 11:02 am

Hotmayo wrote:Joe dumars brings the bad boy identity to our team -and he purposely looks for player with that identity

As long as joes around, the pistons will have that identity

No other gm would do that. If we get a new gm than that brand of basket ball is gone

You guys are just pissed and wanna burn someone cuz were losing.

Personally, I love josh and jennings and I think we are a 2 guard and small forward away from competing again

Trade Monroe bandwagon please..

Except the bad boys had a balanced roster with players who had defined roles at every position that got after it on defense. Nothing screams bad boys on this team.... Unless your referring to the cancers smith and jennings - who literally are bad and men, but i guess the term boys can apply when one evaluates their iq.

Kilo · Post #10 » by **Kilo** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 1:54 pm

Drummond, Monroe, Knight, KCP, Gordon, CV, Smith, are not "bad boys" they're anti-Bad Boys - no swagger, no pride, no killer instinct. Jennings could be more along those lines, but he has no desire to play defense and/or the understanding to do so even if he wanted to.

Piston Pete · Post #11 » by **Piston Pete** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 2:22 pm

Dumars gone this offseason? I'll believe it when I see it

Post #12 » by **theBigLip** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 3:11 pm

Who do you get to replace him? Got to start lining that up to prevent us from getting someone worse.

joseph mamah · Post #13 » by **joseph mamah** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 3:54 pm

theBigLip wrote:Who do you get to replace him? Got to start lining that up to prevent us from getting someone worse.

Donnie Walsh
Chris Wallace
Troy Weaver

Kilo · Post #14 » by **Kilo** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 4:11 pm

What about Magic Johnson? Don't have a clue how he'd be but I assume he and Gores operate in similar circles out in LA and Magic of course has the Michigan connection as well.

BadMofoPimp · Post #15 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 4:24 pm

With the Trade deadline coming up, it will be interesting to see if Joe D. truly can come up with another Sheed like deal.

Hotmayo · Post #16 » by **Hotmayo** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 4:34 pm

Kilo wrote:Drummond, Monroe, Knight, KCP, Gordon, CV, Smith, are not "bad boys" they're anti-Bad Boys - no swagger, no pride, no killer instinct. Jennings could be more along those lines, but he has no desire to play defense and/or the understanding to do so even if he wanted to.

Other bad boy players that fit the piston brand of basketball are

Afflalo
Deng
Cousins

Jennings
Afflalo
Deng
Smith
Cousins

Looks like a pistons starting five I'd build

Clarity · Post #17 » by **Clarity** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 4:38 pm

Dumars has "been gone" for years. Likely going no where.

vic · Post #18 » by **vic** » Mon Jan 6, 2014 6:20 pm

Problem is...

Year before last he could claim new ownership and absentee previous ownership.

Last year he could claim the draft steal of the decade, but a coach that wouldn't play him. That's why the coach went, but he didn't.

This year, he's given himself nowhere to run to, and nowhere to hide.

He had two Olympic tryout bigs that needed to be surrounded by high IQ passers and shooters, and a strategic (smart) coach or pg.

He gave them Smith, Jennings, and Cheeks.

- Cheeks came in with a losing record and a rep as a players coach (the opposite of high strategy/high iq coach that will enforce his will).

- Smith was known as a low-iq chucker EVEN AS A PF playing next to a quality big and the best 3 point shooter in the league. He brought him in to play of position. Smith wasn't wanted by Atlanta or anyone else, IN HIS POSITION. He's good at paint defense and paint scoring, that's it.

- Jennings is known for being inefficient and taking bad shots. Jennings is young and talented enough to be molded, but not yet a strategic leader.

If nothing changes, Joe Dumars has failed this season. His only choices:
a. force Cheeks to play 2/3 bigs, helping avoid the Pistons death in every 2nd half when teams pack the paint
b. fire Cheeks for a more strategic coach with insight and force to execute winning gameplans
c. do a panic trade for Smith or Monroe and get fleeced because other teams know he's desperate.